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Flare From A NJ ANG F-16 Starts Forest Fire

Wed May 16, 2007 9:12 am

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=local&id=5307734

The New Jersey Department of Military and Veterans Affairs confirms for Eyewitness News that the forest fire now burning out of control was likely caused by a flare dropped from one of two F-16 fighters, that were participating in a bomb-dropping training exercise over the Warren Grove Bombing Range.
The aircraft are based are part of the 177th Fighter Wing, based at the Atlantic City International Airport in Egg Harbor Township.

Maybe the military should reconsider using flares over dry forest?
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RE: Flare From A NJ ANG F-16 Starts Forest Fire

Wed May 16, 2007 9:43 am

Wow, and all those poppy fields in AFG and we can't drop a few flares over there?!

http://gtresearchnews.gatech.edu/images/flares.jpg
 
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RE: Flare From A NJ ANG F-16 Starts Forest Fire

Wed May 16, 2007 10:13 am

So what will happen?

Absolutely nothing. And rightfully so....precluding military training ops because of dry forest would be foolish. How the hell was that Viper jock supposed to know anyhow?

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RE: Flare From A NJ ANG F-16 Starts Forest Fire

Wed May 16, 2007 12:15 pm

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 2):
How the hell was that Viper jock supposed to know anyhow?

Knowledge pertinent to the operation of the aircraft?  rotfl 
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RE: Flare From A NJ ANG F-16 Starts Forest Fire

Wed May 16, 2007 1:08 pm

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 3):
Knowledge pertinent to the operation of the aircraft?

That there's dry brush underneath him...while focusing on keeping his plane from augering in and really torchin' it all.  Wink

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RE: Flare From A NJ ANG F-16 Starts Forest Fire

Wed May 16, 2007 4:01 pm

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 2):
How the hell was that Viper jock supposed to know anyhow?

Ok,we supposed not to trow a cigarette o start a campfire but,hey lets drop some flares...right?  Confused
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RE: Flare From A NJ ANG F-16 Starts Forest Fire

Wed May 16, 2007 8:37 pm

I assume the flares were dropped at low altitude?
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RE: Flare From A NJ ANG F-16 Starts Forest Fire

Wed May 16, 2007 10:22 pm

Perhaps in future pre flight ought to include where you drop these things.

You would not drop bombs, even inert ones without thinking about what is it going to land on.
 
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RE: Flare From A NJ ANG F-16 Starts Forest Fire

Thu May 17, 2007 12:47 am

Better idea, just cut down the forest. It is a military bombing range after all.

Or just don't make a fuss about it. A forest fire every now and then is actually a good thing.
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RE: Flare From A NJ ANG F-16 Starts Forest Fire

Thu May 17, 2007 1:10 am

This is the second incident in 3 year with this bombing range.... In 2004, a fighter jet shot several rounds which hit the roof of a school not to far from there... of course, that was probably just bad aim.

Here's another link to the forest fire story.

http://www.comcast.net/news/national...05/16/664639.html&cvqh=itn_njblaze
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RE: Flare From A NJ ANG F-16 Starts Forest Fire

Thu May 17, 2007 1:49 am

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 8):
Or just don't make a fuss about it. A forest fire every now and then is actually a good thing.

As long it doesn't take homes and lives with it.....  Yeah sure
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RE: Flare From A NJ ANG F-16 Starts Forest Fire

Thu May 17, 2007 2:30 am

I would not hold the pilots responsible. Flight operations should be aware of the environment these guys are flying in and include all pertinent information in the pre-flight briefing. The weather guys should be well aware of the conditions ,IMHO.
 
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RE: Flare From A NJ ANG F-16 Starts Forest Fire

Thu May 17, 2007 2:31 am

What's amazing, is that brush fires or forest fires are rather common on military gunnery ranges, during the summer. No big deal - we handle them.

Anyway, it was a training exercise. The entire point was to depict an actual mission as closely as possible. If we're going to start putting more absurd restrictions on military training grounds, it just hurts us further down the road when we're in the sandbox.

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 8):
Better idea, just cut down the forest. It is a military bombing range after all.

Agreed. But hey! Now we don't have to cut it down... just let it burn. After that, don't let it become overgrown.

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RE: Flare From A NJ ANG F-16 Starts Forest Fire

Thu May 17, 2007 7:22 am

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 2):
precluding military training ops because of dry forest would be foolish.



Quoting TedTAce (Reply 3):
Knowledge pertinent to the operation of the aircraft?

Range Management should have put out a NOTAM making flares Verboten!!. Pilot should have read NOTAM making flares Verboten!!.

One or both screwed up.

All the ranges in the fire danger areas here in the Southeast are presently NOTAMed for no-flares.

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RE: Flare From A NJ ANG F-16 Starts Forest Fire

Fri May 18, 2007 6:21 am

Why in training do fighter pilots drop flares before they drop a bomb / shoot a missle? I've seen several movies on youtube out there where they always drop a few. Is it to alert other pilots that he's shooting? Or just for looks?

Also

Quoting Nkops (Reply 9):
This is the second incident in 3 year with this bombing range.... In 2004, a fighter jet shot several rounds which hit the roof of a school not to far from there... of course, that was probably just bad aim.

got a link to that? I would love to read about it...
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RE: Flare From A NJ ANG F-16 Starts Forest Fire

Fri May 18, 2007 7:31 am

Quoting StevenL (Reply 14):
Why in training do fighter pilots drop flares before they drop a bomb / shoot a missle?

Bombing runs put aircraft into the zone of vulnerability for MANPADS. If you aren't popping a flare, you are begging to catch a SA-7 up the pipe.
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RE: Flare From A NJ ANG F-16 Starts Forest Fire

Fri May 18, 2007 9:23 am

Quoting StevenL (Reply 14):
got a link to that? I would love to read about it...

http://www.nbc10.com/news/3890831/detail.html

Here is one from the local Philly station... enjoy
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