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Who Designed The "Air Force One" Scheme?

Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:47 am

Although I know that truly, an aircraft is only given that call sign when the United States President is on board, most people would identify that paint scheme as the Air Force One scheme.

I just saw some shots taken of the plane over in Orly while President Bush is over in Europe for the G8 summit and other official functions.

It has to be one of the most beautiful and classic schemes out there and I was just curious as to who design it and where it came from.

The scheme looks good on 747's and 757's. I wonder what other types of aircraft have that same scheme in the US Air Force fleet? Any DC-9's???


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RE: Who Designed The "Air Force One" Scheme?

Mon Jun 11, 2007 2:24 am

Raymond Loewy designed the Air Force One scheme. Loewy, an industrial designer, was also well known for the carbody styling of the Pennsylvania Railroads GG-1 electric locomotive.

BTW: The only aircraft that wears Loewy's scheme are the 2 VC-25s that are popularly known as Air Force One. The scheme on the 89ths C-32s & C-40s is the austerity scheme introduced during the Carter administration. Look closely they are very different...



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edit: Mr Loewy has a website.
http://www.raymondloewy.com/

[Edited 2007-06-10 19:31:17]

edit 2: The VC-137, 72-7000, at the Reagan Library also wears the Air Force One Scheme. The VC-137 at the Air Force Museum, 62-6000, does not.

[Edited 2007-06-10 19:34:56]
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RE: Who Designed The "Air Force One" Scheme?

Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:00 am

Stating that Ray Loewy was "an industrial designer" is like saying that the F-22 Raptor is "a fighter". One small example of his greatness is the Studebaker Avanti. This car was designed around 1960, if memory serves me right the first production year was 1962. Still 45 years on its styling is totally up to date. That's timeless!
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RE: Who Designed The "Air Force One" Scheme?

Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:11 pm

Quoting Deskflier (Reply 2):
One small example of his greatness is the Studebaker Avanti. This car was designed around 1960, if memory serves me right the first production year was 1962. Still 45 years on its styling is totally up to date. That's timeless!

This may get me into trouble for being just a little 'OT', but it's worth mentioning, as I know just a little bit about this- hence the 'Stude' in my username---

So~ let's not forget the coupes and hardtops of 1953- a design that lasted in some form or another through 1964!!! While he didn't actually design it, his studio did, and he often gets the credit for that one as well. From the Studebaker Driver's Club website:

"In 1953, the incredible new "Lowey coupe" was introduced. Bob Bourke, a member of the Raymond Lowey team, is credited with the innovative new design."

and later-

"Studebaker once again turned the automotive design world upside down in 1963 with the unveiling of the Avanti. While the Avanti was universally acclaimed, Studebaker's days as a US company were numbered. Production ceased at the long-time South Bend, Indiana plant in 1964, Studebaker production continued in Canada until 1966. The Avanti Motor Company continued to build the Avanti II in South Bend until 1987 where production moved to Youngstown, Ohio until 1991."


While I do not own either of the cars in question, I do own a '54 Commander sedan- besides my other four Studebakers and '58 Packard!!! All six of my 'girls' can be seen here:

http://racingstudebakers.com/coppermine/thumbnails.php?album=71

May the moderators be kind to me for all that...
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RE: Who Designed The "Air Force One" Scheme?

Mon Jun 11, 2007 10:02 pm

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 1):

What are C-32's and C-40's (757's and DC-9's) ???
I don't know military designations, at all.

The 747 scheme is so beautiful, it truly is timeless. When the movie Air Force One was filmed, I wonder if the producers had to get permission from the Air Force to paint a plane in that scheme design? Is it copyrighted, just like I would guess an airline's scheme would be?

Just curious.
 
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RE: Who Designed The "Air Force One" Scheme?

Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:04 pm

Quoting JayDavis (Reply 4):
What are C-32's and C-40's (757's and DC-9's) ???
I don't know military designations, at all.

C-32 is the military designation for the Boeing 757-200
C-40 is the Boeing 737-700

The Gulfstreams are also in a similiar scheme.
 
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RE: Who Designed The "Air Force One" Scheme?

Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:00 am

Quoting JayDavis (Reply 4):
I wonder if the producers had to get permission from the Air Force to paint a plane in that scheme design? Is it copyrighted, just like I would guess an airline's scheme would be?

When I worked with the Air Force One folks at ADW they kept a pretty tight rein on any White House symbols, namely the Presidential Seal. So yeah I expect anyone using the AF1 scheme or the Presidential Seal (It's on the aircraft) without permission should expect a call from the Dept of Justice.
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RE: Who Designed The "Air Force One" Scheme?

Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:38 am

Didn't Jackie Kennedy ask Lowery to design the  then  new aircraft livery for the then new VC-137Bs, and later A and Cs?

The VC-137B (B-707-120B) (62-26000) was the first USAF aircrfat to wear the new livery.

BTW, the 89th only flies the C-40B, the C-40A is a USNR aircraft and has a cargo door, and the C-40C is flown by the ANG and carries more passengers.

But, in addition to the C-32A (P&W engines and white/blue livery) {sometimes used as AF2}, they fly 2 C-32Bs. The C-32B has RR engines, and is all white (with a blue cheat line) and is used by the Sec. of State.
 
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RE: Who Designed The "Air Force One" Scheme?

Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:45 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 7):
Didn't Jackie Kennedy ask Lowery to design the new aircraft livery for the then new VC-137Bs, and later A and Cs?

For some reason she didn't think much of the DayGlo Orange scheme that 970 came from the factory with.  Smile

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 7):
The VC-137B (B-707-120B) (62-26000)

26000 was a -300. 970, 971, and 972 were all -100s

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 7):
But, in addition to the C-32A (P&W engines and white/blue livery) {sometimes used as AF2}, they fly 2 C-32Bs.

I thought the C-32Bs were based out of McGuire?
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RE: Who Designed The "Air Force One" Scheme?

Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:22 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 7):
Didn't Jackie Kennedy ask Lowery to design the    new aircraft livery for the then new VC-137Bs, and later A and Cs?

That's my recollection, too -- mind you, from some program on the History Channel about "Air Force One". It was a fairly thorough documentary about Presidential air travel, starting with Roosevelt's flight to the Casablanca Conference in '43, and ending with today's machines.

Jackie Kennedy reportedly also advocated the "UNITED STATES OF AMERICA" livery along the side. An interesting program, BTW.

(Disclosure: I'm a shareholder of Discovery Holdings (DISCA), the parent company of the History Channel.)
 
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RE: Who Designed The "Air Force One" Scheme?

Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:28 pm

does anyone know if the VC-25s will ever be repainted to match the C-32s and C-40s? will it maybe be vice versa? the C-9s were close to that of the VC-25s but still not an exact replica. then there are the few KC-135 that run around in full color but are also unique. even the C-20s and C-37s are painted in the 89th colors.
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