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Australia Picks Boeing P-8A MMA

Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:35 pm

Defense-Aerospace reports that Australia has selected Boeing's P-8A MMA Poseidon as replacement for their AP-3C Orion maritime patrol and ASW aircraft.....

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/cgi...DH8AAAEAABRIN9QAAAAE&modele=jdc_34

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"First pass approval has been granted to allow Defence to commence formal negotiations with the United States Navy (USN) to participate in the cooperative development of the P-8A Multi-mission Maritime Aircraft (MMA).

Following an exhaustive examination of available options, the USN chose the Boeing Company to develop the P-8A MMA based on its 737 commercial aircraft. The P-8A MMA offers a modern, highly reliable commercially-proven airframe with the latest maritime surveillance and attack capabilities."


http://www.boeing.com/companyoffices...ry/images/military/p8a/K63510.html

Arguably, the P-8A may be the best currently on offer for this mission. It appears Boeing has got a tight grip on RAAF procurements. Hopefully, this would not be visited by the bugs that plagued their other sale to Australia.
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RE: Australia Picks Boeing P-8A MMA

Sat Jul 21, 2007 12:00 am

Quoting DEVILFISH (Thread starter):
Arguably, the P-8A may be the best currently on offer for this mission. It appears Boeing has got a tight grip on RAAF procurements. Hopefully, this would not be visited by the bugs that plagued their other sale to Australia.

With that said, I'm sure fleet commonality with Wedgetail was a big contributory reason why this system was selected.
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RE: Australia Picks Boeing P-8A MMA

Sat Jul 21, 2007 1:15 am

Quoting DEVILFISH (Thread starter):
Arguably, the P-8A may be the best currently on offer for this mission. It appears Boeing has got a tight grip on RAAF procurements. Hopefully, this would not be visited by the bugs that plagued their other sale to Australia.

What else is currently available that is in production? Would an update of their current P-3 Orions be a better option?
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RE: Australia Picks Boeing P-8A MMA

Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:38 am

Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 2):

What else is currently available that is in production?

EADS have an MPA version of the Airbus A319 to compete with the P-8A, though I don't how far along it is in its development....

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-a319-with-bomb-bay-doors-for.html

I understand Germany or the UN has an A320 in a similar configuration?

Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 2):
Would an update of their current P-3 Orions be a better option?

One may think that LM's proposed P-7 Orion 2000 could have been a good candidate too had it progressed.
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RE: Australia Picks Boeing P-8A MMA

Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:19 am

How many P-8s will the Australians acquire and how many P-3s do they currently have?

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 3):
the UN has an A320 in a similar configuration?

???  confused 

The UN do not have any aircraft. The aircraft that they use are either leased by the UN, or Member States will operate their own equipment in UN colours for UN operations.
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RE: Australia Picks Boeing P-8A MMA

Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:04 am

Quoting HanginOut (Reply 4):
??? confused

That is why "Germany or" and a question mark was included in the question. Although I should have written NATO instead of UN.

Flightglobal has also picked up the story.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-join-boeing-p-8-mma-progamme.html

[Edited 2007-07-20 21:12:47]
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RE: Australia Picks Boeing P-8A MMA

Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:07 am

Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 2):
Would an update of their current P-3 Orions be a better option?

Nothing else was really an option and the P-3 airframe will have reached the point where it needs to be replaced. Rebuilds of old airframes are not the flavour of the month after the Seasprite debacle.

Quoting N328KF (Reply 1):
With that said, I'm sure fleet commonality with Wedgetail was a big contributory reason why this system was selected.

Don't forget the BBJs used by 34 SQN for VIP transport, although all the maintenance is leased out will still allow the aircrew to rotate round, certainly will be easier to retain the crews with more active postings available.

Quoting HanginOut (Reply 4):
How many P-8s will the Australians acquire and how many P-3s do they currently have?

Everything I have heard points to approx 8 frames being acquired to be used in concert with a Global Hawk purchase. I think they will hope for a greater fleet utilisation since we currently have 17 (I think) with two deployed to the Sandpit at any one time.

Quoting DEVILFISH (Thread starter):
Arguably, the P-8A may be the best currently on offer for this mission. It appears Boeing has got a tight grip on RAAF procurements. Hopefully, this would not be visited by the bugs that plagued their other sale to Australia.

Since we will acquire a program being procured by the US in large numbers we will be hamstrung by any issues that occur. Saying that I don't foresee any great problems with the purchase. What will be interesting is how the aircraft deal with our modifications, if the RAAF wish to match the capabilities of the AP-3C there will be quite a few modifications required for the airframe.

Boeing has several of the latest contracts but don't forgot Lockheed will get the JSF order when it occurs. That is significant enough to remove any angst. What is surprising is that we didn't join the SDD phase when we had the chance. Everyone knew we were going to choose the P-8, so why not get in and have a say in how it was going to be designed, allowing our industry to participate as well?

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RE: Australia Picks Boeing P-8A MMA

Sat Jan 05, 2008 4:10 pm



Quoting Ozair (Reply 6):
What is surprising is that we didn't join the SDD phase when we had the chance. Everyone knew we were going to choose the P-8, so why not get in and have a say in how it was going to be designed, allowing our industry to participate as well?

Perhaps they're intending to accomplish that with one of the spiral developments?

Update:

Australia is still in negotiations for joining the program.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-boeing-p-8-production-starts.html

Quote:
"Production of the first Boeing P-8A Poseidon has begun, as negotiations continue for Australia to join the US Navy's Multi-mission Maritime Aircraft programme. The 737 derivative is to replace the navy's Lockheed Martin P-3C Orions from 2013.

[.....]

Australia last July decided to join the MMA programme, and is negotiating a memorandum of understanding to participate in spiral development of the P-8. The first round of negotiations was completed in October and a second is planned for February, says Capt Mike Moran, the USN's P-8 integrated product team lead."
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