KevinSmith
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MV Vs CV-22 Designation

Tue Oct 02, 2007 3:39 am

Why is it that the Marines chose to designate their Ospreys as MV-22 and the the Air Force CV-22s. It occurs to me that the Air Force is going to use theirs for more special ops than cargo, and vice versa for the Marine Corp.
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RE: MV Vs CV-22 Designation

Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:58 pm

Quoting KevinSmith (Thread starter):
Why is it that the Marines chose to designate their Ospreys as MV-22 and the the Air Force CV-22s. It occurs to me that the Air Force is going to use theirs for more special ops than cargo, and vice versa for the Marine Corp.

Your a smart guy!

Marines do fly MH-53E's while the USAF flies SOF MH-53M and MC-130 acft..for some reason they jumped on the M-Preface...seems they either wish to ignore this is the SOF designation or they wish to pretend they are flying a SOF acft.

For now, I think the USAF is happy to keep the CV-22 MDS to distance themselves from the USMC, but I suspect someday others will ask your same question and we'll see MV-22 A (USMC) and MV-22B (USAF) acft
 
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RE: MV Vs CV-22 Designation

Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:22 am

The letter 'M' stands for multi-mission. Other examples would include 'MH-60S' and 'MH-60R'...
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RE: MV Vs CV-22 Designation

Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:31 am

Quoting Studedave (Reply 2):
The letter 'M' stands for multi-mission. Other examples would include 'MH-60S' and 'MH-60R'...

I see. Still begs the question as to why the Air Force chose "C" when it is going to be doing "M".
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RE: MV Vs CV-22 Designation

Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:58 am

Quoting KevinSmith (Reply 3):
Still begs the question as to why the Air Force chose "C" when it is going to be doing "M".

Got me!!! They do tend to 'march' to a different beat from time to time...

Then again- let's think about the MH60S for a second. It was originally supposed to be 'CH-60S'~ and then the totally mission changed. Was that the case with the bird in question? I don't know. The AF Recruiter was at lunch 19 years ago when he told me to be at his office, and I ended up joining the NAVY instead!!! Shame about that...
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RE: MV Vs CV-22 Designation

Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:10 am

Quoting StudeDave (Reply 4):
Got me!!! They do tend to 'march' to a different beat from time to time...

Ok....just to clear this all up, because this is an issue that is near and dear to me.

The Air Force didn't "choose" the CV designation. Showing complete disregard for the MDS-designation system that has worked so well for many years, [where M denotes special operations/multi-mission and C is cargo] the USMC decided that since they were the lead service for development of the aircraft, the aircraft would carry an "M," just to designate that it was a Marine bird. It makes no sense at all, but I think with all of the press the aircraft has gotten, they just wanted to make sure that when folks think of the Osprey, they associate it with the Marines. This is pure service arrogance on the part of the USMC, plain and simple. The way the aircraft will be employed by the Marines is completely different from the role it will fill for SOCOM. For the Marines, it's a one-for-one replacement of the CH-46, and will bear the burden for filling the roles and responsibities that aircraft has shouldered for so long...Once again, since it's replacing a "CH"-46, choosing to denote the Marine model as the "MV" is just dumb.

Quoting Curt22 (Reply 1):
Marines do fly MH-53E's while the USAF flies SOF MH-53M and MC-130 acft

Also, for the record, there are no "MH"-53s, of any type, in the USMC. The MH-53E [Sea Dragon] is specific to the USN, and the MH-53J/M is only in the AF. Although those two designations look similar, the roles (and airframes themselves) are completely different...The Sea Dragon is a mine-sweeper based on the Super Stallion, whereas the PAVE LOW is pure special ops based on the smaller Sea Stallion. All 53's in the Marine corps are CHs - the overwhelming majority of which are the larger E model (Super Stallion), with only a few D models (Sea Stallion) still around.

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