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New Variant Of The F-22?

Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:09 pm

There's been a lot of talk about F-22 production being limited and a cap on the number of airplanes that will be built. But has anyone considered the possibility that Lockheed-Martin might be working on a newer version of the airplane; one that would stir excitement even in Congress and and the Defense Department and would compel authorization of more production? I find it hard to believe that Lockheed-Martin is sitting back and blandly accepting limited orders for their world class fighter.
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RE: New Variant Of The F-22?

Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:44 pm

There was already a proposed "FB-22" variant that was basically a medium bomber with a larger wing and no vertical stabs. The cost/benefit analysis didn't work out and the idea was scrapped. As for an "F-22C" model, I'm not sure what they could do that couldn't just be upgraded on the A model.
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RE: New Variant Of The F-22?

Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:24 pm

I really really doubt it. The US Congress can barely get it's act together to give the USAF the aircraft it currently needs.
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RE: New Variant Of The F-22?

Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:31 pm



Quoting N74JW (Reply 2):
Sooner or later, the F-15E's replacement will have to be considered and sought.

Isn't that the 2018 bomber the USAF wants?
 
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RE: New Variant Of The F-22?

Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:13 pm



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3):
Isn't that the 2018 bomber the USAF wants?

I thought that was to be a bomber, rather than a fighter-bomber like the F-15E. Might the F-22 be redesigned to become an optimized fighter-bomber, thus keeping the production lines opened? Does anyone know if Lockheed-Martin is even thinking about means to keep the plane in production?
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RE: New Variant Of The F-22?

Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:27 pm

LM has probably figured out it is more profitable/successful to wait until the line is just about closed to pitch additional lots/versions.

When "jobs are on the line" the politico's are a lot more "flexible."
 
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RE: New Variant Of The F-22?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:16 am



Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 4):
I thought that was to be a bomber, rather than a fighter-bomber like the F-15E. Might the F-22 be redesigned to become an optimized fighter-bomber, thus keeping the production lines opened? Does anyone know if Lockheed-Martin is even thinking about means to keep the plane in production?

The F-22A already has a decent AG capability. It can drop a JDAM at cruise speed and keep on truckin'. That's at the cost of some internal AMRAAM though. After the "first day of the war" stealth capability isn't as important, the Raptor can strap on pylons and become a bomb truck too.
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RE: New Variant Of The F-22?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:18 am



Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 6):
the Raptor can strap on pylons and become a bomb truck too.

I know this has a lot of practical application.. But how many additional billions did it cost to give the turkey stealth capability that doesn't really matter?

Not to start a shit storm.. But I keep thinking upgraded F-15s would have been the cost effective solution.

Oh wait, upgraded F-15s don't look pretty on a recruiting poster.
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RE: New Variant Of The F-22?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:44 am

Probably a cheaper version will get congress moving. But beyond that, I think a invisible aircraft (to the naked eye) would be pretty cool.  cool 
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RE: New Variant Of The F-22?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:52 am



Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 7):
Oh wait, upgraded F-15s don't look pretty on a recruiting poster.

Not that recruiting posters are under any obligation to accurately portray our armed services  Wink
 
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RE: New Variant Of The F-22?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:31 pm



Quoting CactusHP (Reply 8):
Probably a cheaper version will get congress moving. But beyond that, I think a invisible aircraft (to the naked eye) would be pretty cool.

I recall a cheaper version of the B-2A was offered at one time and that went nowhere. I doubt a cheaper F-22 will go far either.
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RE: New Variant Of The F-22?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:00 pm

Personally I'm hoping for a two-seater version. I know that chances of such a bird developing are slim to none.
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RE: New Variant Of The F-22?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:32 pm



Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 6):
the Raptor can strap on pylons and become a bomb truck too.

Has the AF started testing of the pylons yet? I'd sure like to see some pics of what they look like.
 
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RE: New Variant Of The F-22?

Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:18 am

They will probably just build more of the FA-22A's would be my guess, the FB-22 is already scrapped and a FA-22C is just an upgrade which is not needed right now since the FA-22 right now doesnt really have any competitors. They have been talking aout building around 350 FA-22's now instead of the 183. Upgrading the F-15's not sure it would be worth it maybe building more F-15E's or supplementing F-18 E/F's in their place would be the most cost effective Idea.
 
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RE: New Variant Of The F-22?

Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:11 am



Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 7):
But I keep thinking upgraded F-15s would have been the cost effective solution.

Not to slam the Eagle guys, but no upgraged F-15 could compete with some of the latest Russian hardware.

Quoting Sinlock (Reply 12):
Has the AF started testing of the pylons yet? I'd sure like to see some pics of what they look like.

There aren't any photos. In fact, I've only seen one or two pcis of a Raptor with ferry tanks. Last I heard, they were working of some sort of diamond-shaped carbon fiber tanks for the F-22 and F-35 so even they can be stealthy.  Smile
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