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F-105 And F-111 As Drones

Wed Dec 26, 2007 9:04 pm

Why was the retired F-105 never used as a target drone? What are the chances F-111s might be used as drones for missiles designed to attack low flying very high speed tactical aircraft?
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RE: F-105 And F-111 As Drones

Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:12 pm

No chance for F-111s to be used as drones. The current QF-4 fleet will last a little while more, and the USAF has put out a tender for conversion of QF-16s in the past year.
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RE: F-105 And F-111 As Drones

Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:54 pm



Quoting EBJ1248650 (Thread starter):
Why was the retired F-105 never used as a target drone?

With the losses it suffered during Vietnam I'd be surprised if there were enough frames left to make conversion worthwhile....
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RE: F-105 And F-111 As Drones

Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:07 am



Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 2):
With the losses it suffered during Vietnam I'd be surprised if there were enough frames left to make conversion worthwhile....

I believe it was more than HALF of the entire F-105 production run was destroyed in Vietnam. (just to add)
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RE: F-105 And F-111 As Drones

Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:55 am



Quoting Spacepope (Reply 1):
conversion of QF-16s

Exactly how does the drone conversion work? Do the drones just fly a pre-programmed flight profile? Or is there provision for a ground controller to control the drone?
 
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RE: F-105 And F-111 As Drones

Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:23 am

I think very few of the 105's made it to AMARC...most were museum or wreckage.

Lackland AFB has like 15 of them on display in a row, used to train SP's how to guard planes...exciting job sounds like.

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RE: F-105 And F-111 As Drones

Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:59 pm



Quoting Legs (Reply 4):
Exactly how does the drone conversion work? Do the drones just fly a pre-programmed flight profile? Or is there provision for a ground controller to control the drone?

Both methods are possible, plus the aircraft can still be controlled by a live human in the cockpit. I believe that in addition to the control system and datalink, on the F-4's, an AIM-9 warhead is also installed as an auto-destruct feature (when flown remotely).
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RE: F-105 And F-111 As Drones

Thu Dec 27, 2007 3:16 pm

F-105 Total Production 833

F-105 Total Lost Combat 395

F-105 Total Lost Accidents 226

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RE: F-105 And F-111 As Drones

Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:08 pm



Quoting Spacepope (Reply 1):
the USAF has put out a tender for conversion of QF-16s in the past year.

This month's AFM has a nice article on the QF-4 and QF-16. The F-16's narrow landing gear is of some issue to the drone-makers as the drones tend to take a harder landing when done by remote.
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RE: F-105 And F-111 As Drones

Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:49 pm



Quoting Spacepope (Reply 1):
No chance for F-111s to be used as drones.

I believe most of the F/FB/EF-111s are set aside as spares for the RAAF F/RF-111C/Gs.
 
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RE: F-105 And F-111 As Drones

Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:53 pm

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 1):
No chance for F-111s to be used as drones.

Wouldn't they be difficult to operate as drones too because their variable geometry wings are manually adjusted?

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RE: F-105 And F-111 As Drones

Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:16 am



Quoting Spacepope (Reply 1):
No chance for F-111s to be used as drones. The current QF-4 fleet will last a little while more, and the USAF has put out a tender for conversion of QF-16s in the past year.

With all the structural problems with early F-15's, I wonder if there will be a QF-15?
 
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RE: F-105 And F-111 As Drones

Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:59 am

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RE: F-105 And F-111 As Drones

Fri Dec 28, 2007 2:36 am



Quoting Flyingclrs727 (Reply 11):
With all the structural problems with early F-15's, I wonder if there will be a QF-15?

While that would seem a good possibility, it appears the F-16 is the preferred airplane for the next series of drones; QF-16A and B? I wonder if the early F/A-18A and B models will ultimately be considered for drone duty as well.
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RE: F-105 And F-111 As Drones

Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:55 pm



Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 13):
I wonder if the early F/A-18A and B models will ultimately be considered for drone duty as well.

I thought the Hornets and Super Bigs were drones now.

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RE: F-105 And F-111 As Drones

Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:53 pm



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 14):
Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 13):
I wonder if the early F/A-18A and B models will ultimately be considered for drone duty as well.

I thought the Hornets and Super Bigs were drones now.

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RE: F-105 And F-111 As Drones

Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:15 am



Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 7):
F-105 Total Production 833

F-105 Total Lost Combat 395

F-105 Total Lost Accidents 226

Source: www.ygbsm.com

There are 103 surviving F-105's, mostly at museums; none, sadly, are airworthy.

Source: "F-105 Thunderchief" by Plunkett. (Great book, by the way.)

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RE: F-105 And F-111 As Drones

Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:15 pm



Quoting PGNCS (Reply 16):
Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 7):
F-105 Total Production 833

F-105 Total Lost Combat 395

F-105 Total Lost Accidents 226

Source: www.ygbsm.com

There are 103 surviving F-105's, mostly at museums; none, sadly, are airworthy.

Source: "F-105 Thunderchief" by Plunkett. (Great book, by the way.)

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Nice web site mentioned too.
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