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Rafale - Improve To Export?

Sat Jan 26, 2008 9:54 pm

What would it take to make Rafale a more attractive weapon to export customers? Higher powered engines? Simplified avionics? Higher optimazation for the air-to-air role?
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RE: Rafale - Improve To Export?

Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:09 am

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/wp/images/AIR_Rafale_B_Side_Tipped_lg.jpg

The Rafale is a fine fighter - I don't see anything which needs much improvement about it that would dramatically result in export sales. Its marketing OTOH, is an altogether different matter, going by the recent reports.

However, they seem to be working at it, and if this is any indication, there may already be a big improvement.....

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/cgi...xn8AAAEAAGx5K@EAAAAL&modele=jdc_34

Sarkozy guest of honour as India showcases military might

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RE: Rafale - Improve To Export?

Sun Jan 27, 2008 7:47 am



Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 1):
The Rafale is a fine fighter - I don't see anything which needs much improvement about it that would dramatically result in export sales. Its marketing OTOH, is an altogether different matter, going by the recent reports.

The French aren't quite sure how to market it or to who? Their Mirage III, F1 and 2000 series jets sold real well; the first two better than the 2000 but I suspect that's due to the price of the latter.
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RE: Rafale - Improve To Export?

Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:34 pm



Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 2):

The French aren't quite sure how to market it or to who?

The usual comments in the reports were their insistence on package deals, and conflicting pricing info from the government agency and the manufacturer.
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RE: Rafale - Improve To Export?

Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:22 pm



Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 3):
Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 2):

The French aren't quite sure how to market it or to who?

The usual comments in the reports were their insistence on package deals, and conflicting pricing info from the government agency and the manufacturer.

Sounds like the manufacturer and the government are talking around each other. And when you say package deals, I presume you mean as directly related to the airplane or are we talking Rafales, other arms, training aircraft, etc. to make a complete package?
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RE: Rafale - Improve To Export?

Sun Jan 27, 2008 8:09 pm



Quoting EBJ1248650 (Thread starter):
What would it take to make Rafale a more attractive weapon to export customers? Higher powered engines? Simplified avionics? Higher optimazation for the air-to-air role?

They've already tested an AESA antenna for the radar, and right from the start of the programme, the engines were designed for higher thrust levels. CFTs were also successfully tested, and the Rafale will get the METEOR missile.

Now all they need to do is sell the thing!
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Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:21 pm



Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 4):
And when you say package deals, I presume you mean as directly related to the airplane or are we talking Rafales, other arms, training aircraft, etc. to make a complete package?

I may have spoken too soon regarding sales strategy improvement and separation of arms deals not directly for use on the fighters.....

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/cgi...HX8AAAEAADTaU0sAAAAS&modele=jdc_34

France bets on Indian non-alignment to sell arms and reactors

We'd just have to wait and see what are specifically tied up to the Rafale offer.
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RE: Rafale - Improve To Export?

Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:39 am



Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 6):
France bets on Indian non-alignment to sell arms and reactors

We'd just have to wait and see what are specifically tied up to the Rafale offer.

I'm not a subscriber so I wasn't able to read the article. Thanks for the reference though.
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RE: Rafale - Improve To Export?

Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:11 am

[quote=DEVILFISH,reply=6]France bets on Indian non-alignment to sell arms and reactors[/quout]
Could you provide an extract from the article please?
 
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Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:20 pm



Quoting Art (Reply 8):
Could you provide an extract from the article please?

I would have, but I also don't have access. Sorry.
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RE: Rafale - Improve To Export?

Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:31 pm



Quoting EBJ1248650 (Thread starter):
What would it take to make Rafale a more attractive weapon to export customers? Higher powered engines? Simplified avionics? Higher optimazation for the air-to-air role?

From what I have seen Simpler avionics and the price are its two biggest down falls. I actually like it it s a very good fighter but very complicated to learn and very expensive.
 
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RE: Rafale - Improve To Export?

Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:47 pm



Quoting Wvsuperhornet (Reply 10):
but very complicated to learn

Maybe you can tell us a bit more? It's the first time I've heard this.

Quoting Wvsuperhornet (Reply 10):
and very expensive.

It's cheaper than the Eurofighter.
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RE: Rafale - Improve To Export?

Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:04 am



Quoting A342 (Reply 11):



Quoting A342 (Reply 11):
Maybe you can tell us a bit more? It's the first time I've heard this.

I heard it in another message board and its been in some articles how true it is I dont know but they said that even the french pilots werent too happy with the avionics at first, they may have changed them since then but at one time they said it was a complicated aircraft to learn.

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