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Venezuela And Columbia

Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:05 pm

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So Columbia struck at FARC targets in Ecuador.
Chavez has said if anything like that were to happen in Venezuela, he would take it as an act of war.


So apparently tanks have been sent to the boarder.
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Can anyone see the possiblity of this blowing up? If so (lets hope no), who could they see 'winning' a conflict.
 
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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:39 pm

This is a very serious matter. Now president Chavez is more talk and less action, nonetheless capable of declaring war on Colombia as he is the commander in chief of Venezuela. However I think that the Colombian president will take the necessary precautions as not to provoke Chavez. And in the worse case scenario that a war between those two countries it would be very unpopular for both. But at the end of the day Colombia will defeat Venezuela, first, because the Colombian military is always active and ready for battle, second, more and better military armament and third, because the US will back Colombia, the Bush administration are not friends with Chavez and they have supported Colombia's war on terror. Also in the case that the war would take place after the Bush administration whomever is the president in the US will surely back Colombia. I don't think the US-Venezuela relations will better not until Chavez leaves office.  Wink
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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:48 pm



Quoting Flyin5glow (Reply 1):
However I think that the Colombian president will take the necessary precautions as not to provoke Chavez.

I agree. President Uribe is an exceptionally astute leader. That said, if the Colombians thought they could take out a FARC command echelon hiding in Venezuela, they'd do it in a skinny minute.

Quoting Flyin5glow (Reply 1):
And in the worse case scenario that a war between those two countries it would be very unpopular for both. But at the end of the day Colombia will defeat Venezuela, first, because the Colombian military is always active and ready for battle, second, more and better military armament and third, because the US will back Colombia, the Bush administration are not friends with Chavez and they have supported Colombia's war on terror.

The Colombian military is very capable, and as you note, is kept at a high operational level. Their Air Force desperately needs modern aircraft, and the Navy is small, but very proficient. I've sailed with them, and they are excellent sailors with some (not enough) very capable ships.
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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Sun Mar 02, 2008 10:26 pm

Thanks guys for the input.

I am aware of the difference in air power (ColOmbia has a handful of fighters- IAI Kfirs and Dassult Mirages vs a smattering of F-16s, Su-30s, F-5s and Dassult Mirage 50). But I take it, that would be reinforced by something floating off the coast?  Smile

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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Mon Mar 03, 2008 1:13 am

I kind of want to see the Flankers in action, but.....

If anything I think that this might unify Columbians more than split them. Columbians are very proud of their country and to threaten them with invasion is not a brilliant direction by this idiot.
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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Mon Mar 03, 2008 1:35 am



Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 4):

If anything I think that this might unify Columbians more than split them. Columbians are very proud of their country and to threaten them with invasion is not a brilliant direction by this idiot.

I don't think Chavez is stupid enough to initiate an invasion. But I suspect he will ensure that FARC can jump in and out of Venezuelan territory into Columbia, which may just precipitate an incident.
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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:29 am

The only thing chavez has over columbia is his modern airforce and if push comes to shove a couple of US carrier battle groups could neutralize those faily easy.
 
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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:00 am

Quoting Wvsuperhornet (Reply 6):
The only thing chavez has over columbia is his modern airforce and if push comes to shove a couple of US carrier battle groups could neutralize those faily easy.

Or a two-ship B-2 package with 6 or 8 F-22s in tow. They could make sure the Flankers never leave the ground. "Hey, US, here's your excuse on a silver platter".  

Ecuador has now recalled it's ambassador and is also sending troops to the Columbian border. Chavez says he'll back Ecuador whatever they decide to do. This could get ugly with a certain quickness.

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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:35 pm

If Colombia's clams are true, this may be the beginning of the first war between S A countries in 80 years.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/americas/venezuela/story/442525.html

Hopefully the UN or OAS can keep the peace.

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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:23 pm



Quoting CTR (Reply 8):
If Colombia's clams are true, this may be the beginning of the first war between S A countries in 80 years.

Interesting, as I have a friend who's less than 50 years old who is a veteran of such a war. In fact, I believe that it was the third war of the twentieth century between Peru and Ecuador and the second falling in your 80 year timeline. Take a look at older maps and you'll see that

There are other examples as well.
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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Tue Mar 04, 2008 12:04 am



Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 9):
Take a look at older maps and you'll see that There are other examples as well.

GUERRA DEL PACÍFICO (1879-83), conflict involving Chile, Bolivia, and Peru,

CHACO WAR (1928-1935) Bolivia against Paraguay

Ignoring minor border skirmishes and the Malvinas (Falklands) War since it was Argentina with GB. What war am I missing?

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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Tue Mar 04, 2008 2:48 am



Quoting Highlander0 (Reply 3):

I am aware of the difference in air power (ColOmbia has a handful of fighters- IAI Kfirs and Dassult Mirages

The new batch of 24 IAI Kfirs under negotiation suddenly became critically important and might not make it to Colombia in time to augment these.....

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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:04 am



Quoting CTR (Reply 10):
What war am I missing?

Cenepa War between Ecuador and Peru in 95. Not very long, but very intense. This might be a border skirmish in your book but others might not agree.

On a side note, how long before Uncle Hugo decides to "take back" his share of Guyana?
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Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:04 am

The Colombian and Ecuadorean air forces are quite evenly matched with both flying Kfirs and Mirages.....

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.....Although I don't know about their armies and navies.

If Tio Hugo would just stay out of the picture and not stoke the fire, chances are this can be resolved diplomatically, as the report said Pres Uribe phoned Pres Correa regarding the incident.
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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:36 am



Quoting Highlander0 (Thread starter):
So apparently tanks have been sent to the boarder.

Perhaps they can "borrow" a few A-10s, or AH-64s?
 
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Tue Mar 04, 2008 12:40 pm



Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 13):

If Tio Hugo would just stay out of the picture and not stoke the fire, chances are this can be resolved diplomatically, as the report said Pres Uribe phoned Pres Correa regarding the incident.

My guess is this is not going to be an easy thing to solve:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUKN0229738220080303

Colombia says FARC documents show Correa ties

BOGOTA (Reuters) - Colombia said on Sunday documents found in a camp in Ecuador where Colombian troops killed a top guerrilla boss showed ties between the FARC rebels and Ecuadorean President Rafael Correa, including contacts about political proposals and local military commanders.
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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Tue Mar 04, 2008 12:54 pm



Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 13):
If Tio Hugo would just stay out of the picture and not stoke the fire, chances are this can be resolved diplomatically, as the report said Pres Uribe phoned Pres Correa regarding the incident.

Hugo wants to stir things up, whether he'll know when to stop is still unknown.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 14):
Perhaps they can "borrow" a few A-10s, or AH-64s?

If Hugo keeps stirring things up and the "smoking gun" is confirmed linking him to funding terrorism, it's likely that Colombia will suddenly have access to a much wider range of US armaments in the past. At the moment, it looks like they're headed for the same preferred shopping list as Israel.
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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Tue Mar 04, 2008 12:55 pm

Interesting and rather worrying situation; on the one hand, obviously, any war is to be regretted , but in the case of Chavez, I can't help wondering if there are military planners in Washington who would just LOVE to see Venezuela attack Colombia (and would no doubt be pleased to provide some kind of provocation). Politically, Chavez also has a disadvantage in being CinC and generally in charge of everything; like Saddam (in this context), can he be seen to back down? As a "strongman", his domestic standing - already not terribly good - could be fatally tarnished (again something unlikely to be lost on US intelligence). If the US wanted to bring Chavez down (and I think most of us would agree they'd love to see that happen), this might present the best opportunity.

If it can be proven that FARC rebels have used bases in Venezuela to mount attacks on Colombian targets, isn't that as good as a declaration of war by Venezuela?

With regard to the respective air forces, I know that the FAV is quite powerful, with F-16s (does it have the Sukhois yet?), whereas the FAC has the older Mirages and Kfirs; presumably it has got some technical and strategic assistance from the Israelis in relation to the latter (which can't hurt!) ...
 
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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Tue Mar 04, 2008 3:26 pm



Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 5):
But I suspect he will ensure that FARC can jump in and out of Venezuelan territory into Colombia

This is the status quo, it would not be a change. Ditto for Ecuador, and thus the attack.
 
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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:04 pm



Quoting Mrocktor (Reply 18):
This is the status quo, it would not be a change. Ditto for Ecuador, and thus the attack.

I meant the Venezuelan military is being sent to ensure that FARC can continue to do so and engage the Columbian military if they try to pursue FARC across the border or attack FARC encamped in Venezuela.
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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:32 pm



Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 15):

If Hugo keeps stirring things up and the "smoking gun" is confirmed linking him to funding terrorism, it's likely that Colombia will suddenly have access to a much wider range of US armaments in the past.

The US is inclined to see this settled through a diplomatic solution.....

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita.../news/2008/03/mil-080303-voa07.htm

US Appeals for Dialogue in Colombia-Ecuador Dispute

By David Gollust
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03 March 2008

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"The United States Monday appealed for a diplomatic solution of the dispute between Colombia and Ecuador spurred by Colombia's cross-border attack against FARC rebels inside Ecuador. The State Department called on Venezuela to stay out of the affair. VOA's David Gollust reports from the State Department.

State Department officials say they hope Colombia and Ecuador can resolve the dispute bilaterally or through the Organization of American States, the OAS, while saying there is no reason Venezuela should be involved militarily or in any other way."


Quoting Kaitak (Reply 17):
If the US wanted to bring Chavez down (and I think most of us would agree they'd love to see that happen), this might present the best opportunity.

The State Department release clearly calls for sobriety, although the veiled warning to Venezuela cannot be mistaken.
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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:02 pm



Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 20):
The State Department release clearly calls for sobriety, although the veiled warning to Venezuela cannot be mistaken.

One can not deny the disadvantages of allowing Hugo to play havoc with the oil markets.
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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:10 pm



Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 20):
The State Department release clearly calls for sobriety, although the veiled warning to Venezuela cannot be mistaken.

I'd love to see a big FU to Hugo and Correa by pulling completely out of Manta and establishing a base somewhere around Santa Marta. It would also be a lot better location for drug interdiction missions for the most part. Correa talks big about getting us out but this base is a major economic stimulus for Ecuador.
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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:56 pm

So is there a chance this could go 'hot'? Or will diplomacy win?


I do sound like a warmongerer- not intentional!

SCENARIO-

It kicks off in the v. near future.

B-2s are grounded pending initial results of the crash.
So would the USAF just use the B-52 with ALCMs? Or maybe use a F-22 strike pacakage as mentioned earlier?


I could see the CVG as the most sensible option
 
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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:07 pm



Quoting Highlander0 (Reply 23):
It kicks off in the v. near future.

B-2s are grounded pending initial results of the crash.
So would the USAF just use the B-52 with ALCMs? Or maybe use a F-22 strike pacakage as mentioned earlier?


I could see the CVG as the most sensible option

Neither. I don't see the US getting involved in this directly. While Hugo is a pain in the b*** and a blowhard he does not warrant military attention by the US. Also, by the US getting militarily involved it will allow Hugo to start beating his chest saying "see, see I was right the big bad US is out to get us". Finally, he does have the ability to turn off the oil which will rock the commodity markets and send oil to $150 a barrel. He will also be shooting himself in the foot because he badly needs our dollars but assuming Hugo will take the rational path is no longer certain. To make a short answer long, the US will low key this and wait for it to blow over.
 
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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:48 pm



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 17):
With regard to the respective air forces, I know that the FAV is quite powerful, with F-16s (does it have the Sukhois yet?), whereas the FAC has the older Mirages and Kfirs; presumably it has got some technical and strategic assistance from the Israelis in relation to the latter (which can't hurt!)

The F-16's of the FAV (AFAIK) are useless since the US refused to sell them the parts needed. That is why Hugo purchased the 24 SU-30s.
FAC has old K-Firs and Mirage. They are being updated as we speak, but more than that, the FAC has 40 years of continuous training... very hot training. Additionally, the FAC has the recently purchased Embraer Super Tucano which have proved very efficiently in low flight bombing with very precise targeting. Also plenty of heavily armed Black Hawks.

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 19):
I meant the Venezuelan military is being sent to ensure that FARC can continue to do so and engage the Columbian military if they try to pursue FARC across the border or attack FARC encamped in Venezuela.

Exactly, if you check the map, Venezuela has mobilized its army not to where the border cities of Colombia are located but to jungle terrain where the FARC are located. They are protecting the FARC so that the FAC can't bomb them!!

Quoting Fsnuffer (Reply 24):
Finally, he does have the ability to turn off the oil which will rock the commodity markets and send oil to $150 a barrel.

Have in mind that only15% of the US's oil come from Venezuela. This Venezuelan oil is very high in sulfur and only the US's refineries are capable to process it, so Hugo needs the US very much. If the US decides not to buy Venezuelan oil, that could be catastrophic to the Venezuelan economy.

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If there is a military incident provoked by Venezuela, their army would be very conflicted in participating in this "war" when there isn't a real reason for them. Many middle officials from the Venezuelan army have said this. For Colombians it will be the opposite as we will defending our country.
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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:56 pm



Quoting Wvsuperhornet (Reply 6):

That would be foolish move.

Quoting Fsnuffer (Reply 24):
Also, by the US getting militarily involved it will allow Hugo to start beating his chest saying "see, see I was right the big bad US is out to get us". Finally, he does have the ability to turn off the oil which will rock the commodity markets and send oil to $150 a barrel.

You can also bet that China and Russia will be more than willing to back Comrade Hugo. Then the whole region will be forced into an arms race.
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Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:46 pm



Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 25):
Have in mind that only15% of the US's oil come from Venezuela. This Venezuelan oil is very high in sulfur and only the US's refineries are capable to process it, so Hugo needs the US very much. If the US decides not to buy Venezuelan oil, that could be catastrophic to the Venezuelan economy.

Also the fleet of oil tankers Venezuela has is suited for short trips across the Gulf of Mexico. Not long oceanic voyages half way around the world.

Quoting TheCol (Reply 26):
You can also bet that China and Russia will be more than willing to back Comrade Hugo.

What would either country have to gain from it? China makes a lot of money in trade with the US.
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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:55 pm



Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 12):
On a side note, how long before Uncle Hugo decides to "take back" his share of Guyana?



Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 16):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 14):
Perhaps they can "borrow" a few A-10s, or AH-64s?

If Hugo keeps stirring things up and the "smoking gun" is confirmed linking him to funding terrorism, it's likely that Colombia will suddenly have access to a much wider range of US armaments in the past. At the moment, it looks like they're headed for the same preferred shopping list as Israel.

Isn't Guyana (as a former British colony) a member of the Commonwealth? I'm quite sure that an open attack against Guyana would mean a visit by the Royal Navy and maybe the SAS (they do their jungle training in Belize).
Some years ago Belize was threatened by the junta in neighbouring Guatemala, which threatened to annex Belize. The appearrance of a RN aircraft carrier and a flyby by some Buccaneers past the border (on Belize's side) stopped these ambitions.

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Quoting LMP737 (Reply 27):
What would either country have to gain from it? China makes a lot of money in trade with the US.

Because they want a piece of the pie as well.
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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:35 am



Quoting Fsnuffer (Reply 24):
I don't see the US getting involved in this directly. While Hugo is a pain in the b*** and a blowhard he does not warrant military attention by the US.

Yes, but there is a lot of indirect support we could give Colombia that Hugo would never see.

He'd be an idiot to start a war with Colombia. Unless his goal is to lose that war.

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 25):
Exactly, if you check the map, Venezuela has mobilized its army not to where the border cities of Colombia are located but to jungle terrain where the FARC are located. They are protecting the FARC so that the FAC can't bomb them!!

Exactly. I'm sure the FARC reminded him that if Venezuela didn't step up and protect them, the FARC might just have to acknowledge that the Venezuelan military has been facilitating the FARC's drug trade.

One good thing to come out of this is Comrade Hugo is now doing publicly what we've always known he was doing in hiding.
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Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:59 am



Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 25):
Exactly, if you check the map, Venezuela has mobilized its army not to where the border cities of Colombia are located but to jungle terrain where the FARC are located. They are protecting the FARC so that the FAC can't bomb them!!

You need to get some spies in there to take pictures of FARC and Venezuelan military playing kissy-kissy.
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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

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Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 31):
You need to get some spies in there to take pictures of FARC and Venezuelan military playing kissy-kissy.

Well, that is what the Colombian soldiers found in the dead killer's computer, which is currently in hands of the OAS (Organization of American States) who will take it as proof of the accusations made by the Colombian ambassador, that Hugo Chavez is protecting terrorists in Venezuela...
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Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:37 am



Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 28):
Isn't Guyana (as a former British colony) a member of the Commonwealth? I'm quite sure that an open attack against Guyana would mean a visit by the Royal Navy and maybe the SAS (they do their jungle training in Belize).
Some years ago Belize was threatened by the junta in neighbouring Guatemala, which threatened to annex Belize. The appearrance of a RN aircraft carrier and a flyby by some Buccaneers past the border (on Belize's side) stopped these ambitions.

I believe you are correct with all of the above.

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 32):
Well, that is what the Colombian soldiers found in the dead killer's computer, which is currently in hands of the OAS (Organization of American States) who will take it as proof of the accusations made by the Colombian ambassador, that Hugo Chavez is protecting terrorists in Venezuela...

NPR reported today that he actually had three laptops full of info. Apparently quite detailed and explicit and very damning.
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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:43 pm

If this is getting too far of the MilAv topic feel free to delete but if it is proven that Hugo is giving direct support to the FARC could he wind up on the US list of states that support terrorism?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._li...ponsors_of_international_terrorism
 
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Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:08 pm



Quoting TheCol (Reply 29):
Because they want a piece of the pie as well.

Which pie is bigger, US pie or Hugo pie?
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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:42 pm



Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 32):
Well, that is what the Colombian soldiers found in the dead killer's computer, which is currently in hands of the OAS (Organization of American States) who will take it as proof of the accusations made by the Colombian ambassador, that Hugo Chavez is protecting terrorists in Venezuela...

You need more corroborating evidence because you know Hugo is going to claim it is a CIA plant.
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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:03 pm



Quoting Fsnuffer (Reply 34):
If this is getting too far of the MilAv...

So from the sounds of it, a conflict would be extremely bad for Venezuela- due to loss of trade etc.

If a provocation were to lead to conflict, who would win the air side/overal conflict?
 
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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:01 pm



Quoting Highlander0 (Reply 37):
If a provocation were to lead to conflict, who would win the air side/overal conflict?

With indirect help from US AEW assets in the area plus a total control of space for targeting and intel I give the FAC the edge, their equipment is not top of the line but they know how to use it and it is effective.
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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:01 pm



Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 25):

The F-16's of the FAV (AFAIK) are useless since the US refused to sell them the parts needed. That is why Hugo purchased the 24 SU-30s.

There is this post from another thread.....
F-16's For France? (by Acheron Feb 7 2008 in Military Aviation & Space Flight)

Quoting Acheron (Reply 34):
There are at least 12 to 15 F-16 in flyable condition, with at least 9 of them being Combat-ready. There was a contract signed in 2004(pre-embargo) that secured spares at least until 2009, so all parts involved must abide to it. So, the spares are coming but the US delays the deliveries as much as possible to keep as many F-16's on the ground as possible until the 2009 expiration date, but there are a few "contacts" providing spares via other means and countries without having to cannibalize other F-16's.


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Meanwhile, here are the latest sound(?)bytes from Defense-Aerospace.....

"Venezuela says troops protecting against US expansionism"

"Not much to Venezuelan buildup: US defense official"

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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:24 pm

Not sure how US election time table will affect the situation.

Also if Venezualan oilfield go up, what effect on Oil prices.
 
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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:37 am



Quoting LMP737 (Reply 35):

A trade dispute wih China would not be in anybody's best interests. Besides, if the US decides to sell military goods to Colombia, China and Russia will have an the excuse to do it as well. Kinda like what they're doing in the Middle East.
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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:16 am



Quoting TheCol (Reply 41):
Besides, if the US decides to sell military goods to Colombia,

The US already sells military equipment to Columbia.
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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:30 am



Quoting LMP737 (Reply 42):
The US already sells military equipment to Columbia.

Yes, but what about Colombia?  Smile
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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:28 pm



Quoting Revelation (Reply 43):
Yes, but what about Colombia?

Them to.  Smile
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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:13 pm



Quoting LMP737 (Reply 44):
Them to

Them too
 
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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:19 pm



Quoting Highlander0 (Reply 45):
Them too

Give me a break already! I work nights at an airline which means my brain is mush half the time.  Wink
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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:46 pm



Quoting LMP737 (Reply 42):

If I remember correctly, both the US and Russia sell military hardware in the region. I also remember China entertaining that idea as well. Hopefully, an arms race in the region can be avoided.
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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:12 am



Quoting TheCol (Reply 47):
If I remember correctly, both the US and Russia sell military hardware in the region. I also remember China entertaining that idea as well. Hopefully, an arms race in the region can be avoided.

Personally I think this whole thing is going to blow over. I'm going to guess that other leaders in the region are on the phone to Hugo telling him to cool it.
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RE: Venezuela And Columbia

Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:16 pm



Quoting LMP737 (Reply 48):
Personally I think this whole thing is going to blow over.

Yes. Just like the Galeras and Tungurahua volcanoes.
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