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B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Fri Apr 04, 2008 7:44 pm

Al Jazeera is reporting that a B-1 bomber has crashed on landing at Al Udeid. Anyone have another info...
 
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Fri Apr 04, 2008 7:52 pm

Also being shown as a Breaking News caption on BBC News 24. "In Qatar"... that's all I've seen.
 
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Fri Apr 04, 2008 7:53 pm



Quoting Ftrguy (Thread starter):

Think of your source..........
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Fri Apr 04, 2008 7:56 pm

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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Fri Apr 04, 2008 7:58 pm



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 2):
Think of your source..........

What does that have to do with anything? Seeing as Al Jazeera is located in Qatar... i'd say its the most reliable one out there now.

I saw the same thing on Al Jazeera, although they only showed it as breaking news. Not many details seem to be available yet.
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:00 pm



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 2):



Quoting QR332 (Reply 4):

Seeing as now CNN is reporting it also, lets try and prevent a pissing match and focus on information of the crash...
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:05 pm

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The U.S. military says a B-1 bomber has crashed at an American air base in Qatar.

Initial reports are that the bomber crashed at al-Udeid Air Base, headquarters of all American air operations in the Middle East.

The official spoke Friday on condition of anonymity because the reports are preliminary.

There was no information yet on casualties
 
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:09 pm

Apparently Al Jazeera doesn't know the difference between a B-1 and a B-2. Let's hope the crew is OK. Don't two of the ejection seats shoot down? That would make a low level ejection a non-possibility.



US aircraft crashes in Qatar

A US military aircraft has crash landed at the al-Udeid military base in Qatar.
The B1 bomber reportedly suffered technical difficulties and exploded as it attempted to land at the base about 35km from the capital Doha late on Friday.
There was no immediate information about casualties from the incident.
The B1 Lancer is a supersonic, long-range bomber which carries a crew of four people.

Last month, a B-1 bomber slid off the runway at Anderson Air Force base on Guam, crashing into a group of emergency vehicles. The military reported that there were no injuries and no fatalities as a result of the accident.
 
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:13 pm



Quoting DODCFR (Reply 7):
B-1 bomber slid off the runway at Anderson Air Force base on Guam

B-1 or B-2?
 
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:23 pm



Quoting CO777ER (Reply 8):
B-1 or B-2?

Unfortunately a B2. He's saying that they screwed it in this article.
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:28 pm



Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 9):

Unfortunately a B2. He's saying that they screwed it in this article.

Woops, misread the post.
 
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:33 pm



Quoting DODCFR (Reply 7):
Let's hope the crew is OK. Don't two of the ejection seats shoot down? That would make a low level ejection a non-possibility.

I am almost 100% sure that all four go out the top. That is what I recall from my friend showing me around on of his squadron's B-1s.

My thoughts and prayers are with the crew and their families. My friend's squadron is the one deployed to Diego Garcia so I pray this wasn't one of his missions.
 
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:45 pm

If the crew is OK, then I will say that this won't be as bad as it sounds as there are stockpiles of mothballed (but maintained) B-1Bs that can be used to replenish attrition.
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:56 pm

I sure hope nobody was hurt or killed.
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:10 pm

Reports are now that it caught fire after landing, crew safetly evac'd the aircraft.
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:21 pm



Quoting MDorBust (Reply 14):
Reports are now that it caught fire after landing, crew safetly evac'd the aircraft.

I just saw that too. Glad to here it. I am almost positive that it was a bird from my friend's squadron. I will have to see if I can get some more info or pics from him.
 
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:23 pm



Quoting DODCFR (Reply 7):
Apparently Al Jazeera doesn't know the difference between a B-1 and a B-2. Let's hope the crew is OK. Don't two of the ejection seats shoot down? That would make a low level ejection a non-possibility.

Nope, all the seats (4) in the B-1, (2) in the B-2, fire up.
 
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:29 pm

You're right, it's the B-52 that has downward ejection seats. Sonds like all are OK.

Quoting Checksixx (Reply 16):

 
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:30 pm

I'm here at work at CNN in NYC, and our sources are telling us that all four crewmembers survived.

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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:52 pm

According the BBC, the fire started whilst the plane was taxiing after landing.

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7331740.stm
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:11 pm

This report says it's a B-1 not a B-2.

B-1 bomber catches fire in Qatar

A B-1 BOMBER belonging to the US Air Force caught fire last night at the Al Udeid Air Base, 35km south of Doha.
A spokesperson for the US Air Force Central Public Affairs Office, South West Asia, said: “The US Air Force B-1, while taxiing after landing at Al Udeid Air Base, Qatar, was involved in a ground incident and caught fire at 21.10 local time on April 4.
“The crew evacuated the aircraft and is safe. The fire was contained. A board of inquiry has been appointed and will investigate the incident.”

http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topic...sion=1&template_id=57&parent_id=56



US bomber crashes

Crew safe as B-1 catches fire after landing at Al Udeid base
Doha • A US B-1 bomber caught fire after landing at Al Udeid air base near here yesterday but the crew members were safely evacuated.
“The plane had four crew members. All of them were rescued and are safe,” an official at Al Udeid Air Base told The Peninsula.
The official, when contacted for details of the incident early this morning, refused to comment what mission the plane was on. He said the incident took place at 9.10pm local time

http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/Dis...8&file=Local_News200804055656.xml.



Now the crazies are giving a totally different version of the accident.  laughing 

US Nuclear B-1 Bomber On Iran ‘Attack Run’ Shot Down

As US Air Force Commanders launched more of their fighter jets into the air against their own Naval Forces, the B-1 nuclear bomber was reported to have been hit by cannon fire from the F-16 fighter jet, after which it changed its course for an ‘emergency’ landing at the Al Udeid Air Base and which upon landing ‘exploded’. These reports state that no further hostilities between the US Air Force and its Navy counterparts during this incident occurred.

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1087.htm
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:43 pm



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 20):
Now the crazies are giving a totally different version of the accident.

...

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1...7.htm

Ah, quality journalism.  biggrin 
 
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:23 pm

It has to be a B-1 because I don't think the USAF is using Al Udeid Air Base as a B-2, nor do I think B-2s are conducting any missions in support of OIF or OEF. They are rotating them between Whitman and Andersen AFB Guam (where one crashed recently). The forward deployed B-2s require certain facilities to support the aircraft, as far as I know these facilities only exist at Whiteman, Andersen and Diego Garcia.
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:13 pm



Quoting DODCFR (Reply 17):
You're right, it's the B-52 that has downward ejection seats. Sonds like all are OK.

Nope...they all fire up. Nothing in the inventory has downward firing ejection seats.
 
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:14 pm



Quoting David L (Reply 21):
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 20):
Now the crazies are giving a totally different version of the accident.

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1...7.htm

I don't care who you are...THAT'S funny!
 
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Sat Apr 05, 2008 6:36 pm



Quoting Checksixx (Reply 23):

Quoting DODCFR (Reply 17):
You're right, it's the B-52 that has downward ejection seats. Sonds like all are OK.

Nope...they all fire up. Nothing in the inventory has downward firing ejection seats.

That must really suck for the two Nav's that sit on the lower deck when they eject up though the upper deck.

The two bomb/navs have downward ejection seats.
 
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Sat Apr 05, 2008 6:47 pm



Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 9):
Unfortunately a B2. He's saying that they screwed it in this article.

Actually either would be correct. The B-2 crashed on takeoff from Guam and a few weeks later a B-1B was improperly chocked on the ground and rolled a short distance out of control into a ground vehicle.

http://www.armedforces-int.com/news/...ng-b1b-bomber-incident-in-guam.asp
 
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Sat Apr 05, 2008 11:55 pm



Quoting AFHokie (Reply 25):
Quoting Checksixx (Reply 23):

Quoting DODCFR (Reply 17):
You're right, it's the B-52 that has downward ejection seats. Sonds like all are OK.

Nope...they all fire up. Nothing in the inventory has downward firing ejection seats.

That must really suck for the two Nav's that sit on the lower deck when they eject up though the upper deck.

The two bomb/navs have downward ejection seats.

Mr Hokie is correct.

http://www.ejectionsite.com/b-52.htm
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:33 am



Quoting STT757 (Reply 22):
The forward deployed B-2s require certain facilities to support the aircraft, as far as I know these facilities only exist at Whiteman, Andersen and Diego Garcia.

You can add RAF Fairford to that list

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...news/2004/12/mil-041217-afpn02.htm
 
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:47 am

Got an email from my friend today. It was a bird from his squadron that had the issue. Apparently he was getting ready for bed and then it go exciting for a while. They actually turned off all the phones and email for a while. They aren't allowed to talk about the incident at this point.
 
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:50 pm

Just like the Guam crash I guess the authorities in charge will never let the truth be known about this new accident.
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:10 pm

what is the serial pls of the involved B1 crash?
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:42 am



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 30):
Just like the Guam crash I guess the authorities in charge will never let the truth be known about this new accident.

The truth will be known to those who need to know about it, when the investigations are complete.

I'm sure USAF Public Affairs will release a statement re: the mishaps, when the investigations are complete.
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:28 pm



Quoting AFHokie (Reply 25):
That must really suck for the two Nav's that sit on the lower deck when they eject up though the upper deck.

The two bomb/navs have downward ejection seats.

You're correct...for the B-52 (4) up, (2) down...my bad.

Quoting Gpiarff (Reply 27):
Mr Hokie is correct.

Thanks, I'm aware.

Quoting Ulfinator (Reply 29):
Got an email from my friend today. It was a bird from his squadron that had the issue. Apparently he was getting ready for bed and then it go exciting for a while. They actually turned off all the phones and email for a while. They aren't allowed to talk about the incident at this point.

Oh brother, please...My guess is simply a hot brake fire, nothing more.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 30):
Just like the Guam crash I guess the authorities in charge will never let the truth be known about this new accident.

Guam crash? There was a crash in Guam besides the B-2 which was already ruled caused by an uncommanded pitch up on take-off causing a stall? Please fill us in.
 
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Mon Apr 07, 2008 2:14 pm



Quoting Ftrguy (Thread starter):
Al Jazeera is reporting that a B-1 bomber has crashed on landing at Al Udeid. Anyone have another info...

So, let me see.

1. A B-1 did crash at Al Udeid.

2. Al J got it right.

3. Those rubbishing Al J got it wrong.

Just want to check, reading the bits after the opening post make it difficult to work out what happened.
 
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:48 pm



Quoting Baroque (Reply 34):
1. A B-1 did crash at Al Udeid.

Well actually, no. A B-1 did not crash. A fire while taxing and a crash are not even remotely in the same league.

So points 2 and 3.. also wrong.
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Mon Apr 07, 2008 4:41 pm



Quoting Checksixx (Reply 33):
Oh brother, please...My guess is simply a hot brake fire, nothing more.

Not sure about why you added the "Oh brother, please..." as I was only trying to convey what I had heard from my friend, a WSO with the squadron who's aircraft was involved in the incident.
 
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:17 pm



Quoting Ulfinator (Reply 36):
Quoting Checksixx (Reply 33):
Oh brother, please...My guess is simply a hot brake fire, nothing more.

Not sure about why you added the "Oh brother, please..." as I was only trying to convey what I had heard from my friend, a WSO with the squadron who's aircraft was involved in the incident.

Simply pointing out that forcing them to keep quiet about something so minor is funny. Typical Air Force. I'm amazed they even said anything about it as it really was a non-issue. That's all...not slamming you in any way.
 
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:43 pm

I'm still curious as to the extent of the damage. Brake fires can lead to burning of the entire airframe. The base was closed for nearly 24 hours and a special team was brought in to work on whatever was left of the aircraft (EOD?). could have been a burnt weel, could be a total writeoff for all we know now.
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Tue Apr 08, 2008 1:57 pm



Quoting Checksixx (Reply 37):
Typical Air Force. I'm amazed they even said anything about it as it really was a non-issue. That's all...not slamming you in any way.

Fair enough.

I have to wonder if it was less about the incident and more about keeping miss information from being spread around. After the first headline that came out was that an aircraft crashed. Who knows.

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 38):
I'm still curious as to the extent of the damage. Brake fires can lead to burning of the entire airframe.

Yeah a brake fire can cause a bunch of damage. I have seen some Boeing flight test footage of the first rejected take-off test with the VC-25A and it went really wrong. They ended up burning out the whole bottom of the fuselage and causing about $1M in damage.
 
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:59 pm



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 20):
These reports state that no further hostilities between the US Air Force and its Navy counterparts during this incident occurred.

This is the best line - and they obviously don't know much about the relationship between the US Navy and the US Air Farce.
 
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Tue Apr 08, 2008 10:15 pm

Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 40):Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 20):
These reports state that no further hostilities between the US Air Force and its Navy counterparts during this incident occurred.


This is the best line - and they obviously don't know much about the relationship between the US Navy and the US Air Farce.

lol that is perfect!  

Should read "never ending hostilities"...

[Edited 2008-04-08 15:27:50]
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Tue Apr 08, 2008 10:25 pm



Quoting Checksixx (Reply 37):
Simply pointing out that forcing them to keep quiet about something so minor is funny. Typical Air Force.

Well, if they has been an incident of any magnitude reported in the Press (and we all know how accurate the press can be about aviation- BBC espescially), then a news blackout is normal procedures. Also, family members would be trying to find out whatever they could if it says "CRASH" rather then "FIRE ON LANDING/TAXYING".


Otherwise, what would we have to gossip about?
 
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:29 pm



Quoting Highlander0 (Reply 42):
Well, if they has been an incident of any magnitude reported in the Press (and we all know how accurate the press can be about aviation- BBC espescially), then a news blackout is normal procedures.

I was in the Air Force and actually its a standing order that unless directed otherwise, public affairs is the sole source of information...regardless of what you know and who's asking. I just think its funny, thats all.
 
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Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:45 pm



Quoting Checksixx (Reply 43):
I was in the Air Force and actually its a standing order that unless directed otherwise, public affairs is the sole source of information...regardless of what you know and who's asking. I just think its funny, thats all.

I spent 20 years in US Navy public affairs jobs and served on Air Force and Army bases. I've been the official spokesman for more than one plane crash - USN and USAF.

There are several reasons for the one source policy.

If Pvt Joe Smuchatelli who works in the base dining facility says the plane crashed because there was an unresolved maintenance issue to a friend - he becomes quoted in the media as "A high ranking Air Force officer close to the investigation" who is trying to "expose a cover-up of poor maintenance practices".

Public statements have to be defended by the crews and people who maintained the aircraft - which always results in information being withheld from the investigators. It also waste a lot of investigation time and resources tracking down BS rumors.

In the case of this incident, and the B-2, the DOD Public Affairs directorate will have exercised command authority and forbidden anyone to release any information.

We constantly see people in political positions criticized for not knowing E-4 level details about incidents - so they try to ensure that they see all information before it is released.

But you are right - it is funny at times and public affairs types are always pushing the squadron and base commanders to release more information.

One of my USAF friends was the Major from SAC PAO who was flown down to be the on-scene PA rep for the Damascus Arkansas Titan explosion. He argued long and hard, with support by the general in-charge of all USAF public affairs, that the "we will neither confirm nor deny the presence of special weapons" stance was stupid in that case.

If ever there was an incident to demonstrate how safe the weapons are against accidental detonation - that was it.

Everybody in the world knew they were looking for the warhead - and the reason they took so long to find it was because it was not leaking any radiation. They had to stumble over it on the ground search.

But the Major, and the USAF, and DOD, looked like a first class idiots with the neither confirm nor deny statements.
 
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:11 pm

Correct and agreed 100%!
 
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RE: B-1 Crash At Al Udeid In Qatar

Mon May 05, 2008 4:26 pm

So I found these on a website that had pictures of the wheels up B-1B landing a few years back. I assume this is from the 4-Apr incident. Pretty significant damage.

http://www.ravenware.com/factand/nofic/b1pics/nacfire.html

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