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C-17 Operated By Coast Fleet Air

Sat Apr 05, 2008 7:53 pm

There is a C-17 at Charleston, S. C. Air Force Base (shared field with CHS) with a civilian paint job and the markings "Coast Fleet Air." I thought Airliners,net would be the obvious place to find out something about this craft which undoubtedly is operated by our armed forces. But there is nothing here. It doesn't take much deduction to figure out that Boeing doesn't sell C-17's to just anybody, nor that a white and blue C-17 in a long line of similar dark gray birds with stars on the wings sticks out like a sore thumb.

On my next trip to CHS I will try to get an image, but it is in plain sight during commercial taxiing and takeoff. Does anybody know who Coast Fleet Air is pretending to be and who they think they are fooling?

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RE: C-17 Operated By Coast Fleet Air

Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:09 am

Possibly an AN-124. I really doubt a civilian C-17 would be flying around and no one knowing about it. When I was on my two weeks active duty in Charleston, I saw an AN-124 on several occasions flying into the base and parked there.
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RE: C-17 Operated By Coast Fleet Air

Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:29 am

You definitely must have confused the C-17 with the Russian Antonov 124.. I am on the terminal ramp 5 days a week for a long time and have never seen a C-17 that was painted anything other than Grey.. We get 2 AN-124's just about every day and I would certainly notice a Blue C-17...
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RE: C-17 Operated By Coast Fleet Air

Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:31 am

You are probably correct about it being an AN124. I will have to check it more closely when I get to CHS again.
 
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RE: C-17 Operated By Coast Fleet Air

Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:25 am

There should be one or two on the ramp to the far left side of the airbase, all civilian cargo and visiting military aircraft use those parking spots near the approach end of rwy 3..
 
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RE: C-17 Operated By Coast Fleet Air

Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:36 pm



Quoting Cjacksoncj7 (Reply 2):
We get 2 AN-124's just about every day

Really? What are they bringing in?
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RE: C-17 Operated By Coast Fleet Air

Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:27 pm



Quoting Revelation (Reply 5):
Really? What are they bringing in?

Nothing... They're taking out MRAP vehicles to Iraq.
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RE: C-17 Operated By Coast Fleet Air

Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:13 pm



Quoting Spacepope (Reply 6):


Quoting Revelation (Reply 5):
Really? What are they bringing in?

Nothing... They're taking out MRAP vehicles to Iraq.

Man! what a crazy world, we are paying the Russians to transport our latest anti-mine vehicles to a war zone that the Russians would dearly love to see us lose in, shades of Afganhistan. I wonder if there is any US Military on board with those vehicles to guard them from the Russians. who would surely study them from top to bottom during the flight.
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RE: C-17 Operated By Coast Fleet Air

Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:33 pm



Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 7):
Man! what a crazy world, we are paying the Russians to transport our latest anti-mine vehicles to a war zone that the Russians would dearly love to see us lose in, shades of Afganhistan. I wonder if there is any US Military on board with those vehicles to guard them from the Russians. who would surely study them from top to bottom during the flight.

Well, no pun intended, but it looks you're a bit exaggerating the issue here. Cold war is over after all  Wink
Still, an interesting question raises about why are they chartering AN-124s... Aren't USAF C-5s fit to transport that equipment? Anyone knows?
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RE: C-17 Operated By Coast Fleet Air

Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:36 pm

Doubtful on the espionage. These trucks aren't really the most advanced armored vehicles out there, no composite armor, and the penatration figures could be worked out very easily as to whether they're vulnerble to anything like RPG-7V or RPG-18D.

I just think it's a wonderful idea to burn up hours on those WP transports rather than watching the wings crack and fall off of our C-17s.
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RE: C-17 Operated By Coast Fleet Air

Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:55 pm



Quoting Cjacksoncj7 (Reply 2):
We get 2 AN-124's just about every day



Quoting Spacepope (Reply 6):

Nothing... They're taking out MRAP vehicles to Iraq.

The operator must be making a killing. . .
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RE: C-17 Operated By Coast Fleet Air

Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:11 pm



Quoting CURLYHEADBOY (Reply 8):
Cold war is over after all

I just watched Putin and Bush on the news not 15 minutes ago and it did not seem to be all that over. Maybe to a lesser degree. I am puzzled by it also, expediancy, I guess, they want to get them to the troops as fast as they can and this must be the way.
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RE: C-17 Operated By Coast Fleet Air

Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:49 am



Quoting CURLYHEADBOY (Reply 8):
Aren't USAF C-5s fit to transport that equipment? Anyone knows?

they contract tons of flights, I imagine it saves money. Also with the ground to air fire the C-5 might not be the best choice for Iraq.
 
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RE: C-17 Operated By Coast Fleet Air

Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:43 am



Quoting Spacepope (Reply 9):
just think it's a wonderful idea to burn up hours on those WP transports rather than watching the wings crack and fall off of our C-17s.

You may have it, I never gave that a moments thought.
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RE: C-17 Operated By Coast Fleet Air

Mon Apr 07, 2008 2:23 am

Actually the AN-124's are transporting the APC (Armored Personel Carriers) to Iraq.. We got a hell of alot of C5-As for a while then when Dover finished there cargo facility they stopped coming to Charleston.. The AN-124's picked up the C5's absence and started hauling the armored equipment. It is part of a NATO thing that we contracted the Russians to haul our equipment. One thing I dont understand is, why would we have someone else haul our stuff when there is always at least 15-25 but never more than 25 C-17's sitting on the ramp?? I understand training and maintenance, but there are 53 C-17's operated by the 315th and 437th Airlift Wing. Granted one is a reserve wing, but they share the equipment, why not send the C-17 over and stop spending money on AN-124 contracts??? Also, Boeing said that the cracks they have found in the wing Base of the C-17's is a minimal failure and that it has never compromised the safety of flight, also it is an easy fix they say... They also told us that the 787 would be in the air by now, we here in Charleston build the aft cone at Vought Inc. and we see the Dreamlifter all day long, usually both at one time, and I dont see any 787's.. Go Figure
 
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RE: C-17 Operated By Coast Fleet Air

Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:07 am

When you have bills piling up to pay for excessive operational usage of tactical aircraft and helicopters, vehicles, beans, bullets, band aids, and people, it is probably a good idea to save some money on strategic lift of cargo. Like someone said, put all of those hours on someone elses wings.
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RE: C-17 Operated By Coast Fleet Air

Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:08 am

maybe the bean counters have figured out its cheaper to leave the C-17's on the ramp and contract the job out.
 
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RE: C-17 Operated By Coast Fleet Air

Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:35 pm



Quoting Cjacksoncj7 (Reply 14):
Actually the AN-124's are transporting the APC (Armored Personel Carriers) to Iraq..

Sorry Cjackson you're misinformed. APSc are things like M-113s, M2s, etc. that we have in abundance already in-country. MRAP is a completely different program See article:

http://lowcountry-listening-post.blo...8/01/russian-124-mrap-flights.html
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RE: C-17 Operated By Coast Fleet Air

Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:52 pm



Quoting Spacepope (Reply 9):
Doubtful on the espionage. These trucks aren't really the most advanced armored vehicles out there, no composite armor, and the penatration figures could be worked out very easily as to whether they're vulnerble to anything like RPG-7V or RPG-18D.

Several Western and NATO countriesare using Russian equipment. E.g. Greece, South Korea and the United Arab Emirates have bought the latest Russian APC, the BMP-3 in large numbers.

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RE: C-17 Operated By Coast Fleet Air

Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:19 pm



Quoting FlyUSCG (Reply 1):
Possibly an AN-124

As far as I know, there are no An124's flying around with Coast Fleet Air titles or markings...

Maybe an IL-76?

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RE: C-17 Operated By Coast Fleet Air

Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:28 pm



Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 19):
As far as I know, there are no An124's flying around with Coast Fleet Air titles or markings...

And neither did I. He mentioned a civilian C-17 (which doesn't exist) and I offered the only logical explanation based on what I have seen in person and what other have confirmed on here. I'm sure if an IL-76 went in there it would be all over this site with pictures and blah blah blah...
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RE: C-17 Operated By Coast Fleet Air

Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:54 pm



Quoting Cjacksoncj7 (Reply 14):
It is part of a NATO thing that we contracted the Russians to haul our equipment

Seeing how NATO was formed to defend against the U.S.S.R, and that Russia is not part of NATO I would have to say you are incorrect. The contracts have nothing to do with NATO, they are there because the current Military leadership feel that it is expedient to use other equipment, that's all.
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RE: C-17 Operated By Coast Fleet Air

Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:27 pm



Quoting FlyUSCG (Reply 20):
And neither did I. He mentioned a civilian C-17 (which doesn't exist) and I offered the only logical explanation based on what I have seen in person and what other have confirmed on here. I'm sure if an IL-76 went in there it would be all over this site with pictures and blah blah blah...

It's a C-17 painted in civil markings so the CIA can use it more openly...  Wink

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RE: C-17 Operated By Coast Fleet Air

Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:07 pm

Did you get a good look, or just a very quick look. It's a very long shot, but from a long distance a quick glance on the Cyrillic titles for Volga (as in Volga Dnepr) might be mistaken for Coast. Where you got Fleet from I do not know. Perhaps you where subconscioulsy filling in the blanks? As I mentioned, it is a very long shot. The livery of Volga Dnepr would fit your description.
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RE: C-17 Operated By Coast Fleet Air

Tue Apr 08, 2008 1:18 am



Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 22):
It's a C-17 painted in civil markings so the CIA can use it more openly...

I would hope the CIA is a little less obvious than that, I would expect them to use a Russian aircraft, or something in that order. They do have important work to do so maybe they have need for such a large aircraft.  Wink
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RE: C-17 Operated By Coast Fleet Air

Tue Apr 08, 2008 8:49 am



Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 24):
I would hope the CIA is a little less obvious than that, I would expect them to use a Russian aircraft, or something in that order.

I don't think your average Jihad Warrior in Afghanistan knows the difference of a white painted An124, C-17, C-5, C-141, IL-76 or BAe146 for that matter. As long the plane isn't green or gray with large USAF titles on it, they will not recognise it as CIA or something.

Us at A.net however will, so I don't think the CIA would be that obvious as well...

On the other hand, flying American registered BBJ's to potholes around the world with fuel stops in Europe wasn't that smart either...  Wink

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RE: C-17 Operated By Coast Fleet Air

Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:58 pm

Spacepope's link leads one to an interesting article titled Air Force hires Russian Jets. It says the AN-124 can carry 4 MRAPs per trip, whereas the C-17 can only carry two.

Here's another interesting quote:

Quote:
Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne told the House Armed Services Committee in October that relying on the Russian jumbo jets to move war supplies indicates that the Air Force might need more C-5s and C-17s.

I wonder why he didn't say the Air Force might need to acquire AN-124s?  Wow!  Big grin  Silly
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RE: C-17 Operated By Coast Fleet Air

Tue Apr 08, 2008 6:21 pm



Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 25):
On the other hand, flying American registered BBJ's to potholes around the world with fuel stops in Europe wasn't that smart either...

I could agree on that, but, maybe just maybe they were fooled by someone who was supposed to be a friend, and instead was a rat.
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RE: C-17 Operated By Coast Fleet Air

Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:36 pm



Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 27):
I could agree on that, but, maybe just maybe they were fooled by someone who was supposed to be a friend, and instead was a rat.

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RE: C-17 Operated By Coast Fleet Air

Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:55 am

[quote=Revelation,reply=28]As the old saying goes, "a friend will help you move, a true friend will help you move a body!"....[/quote


As the old saying goes, the devil you don't know is worse than the devil you do know. I think that fits with this subject of the CIA and who betrayed them.
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RE: C-17 Operated By Coast Fleet Air

Fri Apr 18, 2008 2:18 am

The C-17s and AN-124s are definitely moving MRAPS. What a massive waste of aircraft but the need to field these vehicles quickly over rides the inefficiency. While 15-20 C-17s sitting on the ramp may seems a waste, what we don't know if the mechanical status of those aircraft along with the availability of crews.

For the past several years the C-17 and its crews have carried a significant amount of the OIF/OEF burden. I highly doubt that those C-17s are sitting on the ramp wasting away.
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RE: C-17 Operated By Coast Fleet Air

Fri Apr 18, 2008 3:00 am



Quoting CX747 (Reply 30):

Strange bedfellows, the C-17 and the AN-124. Who could have imagined this a few years ago.
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RE: C-17 Operated By Coast Fleet Air

Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:38 pm



Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 7):

Man! what a crazy world, we are paying the Russians to transport our latest anti-mine vehicles to a war zone that the Russians would dearly love to see us lose in, shades of Afganhistan. I wonder if there is any US Military on board with those vehicles to guard them from the Russians. who would surely study them from top to bottom during the flight.

I'm pretty sure they are flown by Antonov, which to my knowledge is Ukrainian.
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