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Potential V22 Customers Outside The USA

Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:02 am

Any idea if Bell-Boeing if other countries apart from the US would be interested in the V22 Osprey ?
As potential customers I can think of Israel, the UK or Japan. I also would hope for Germany but I doubt it.
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RE: Potential V22 Customers Outside The USA

Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:39 pm

I haven't heard of any export sales to date. But the airplane is still very new so far as its active duty performance is concerned and it wouldn't come as any surprise to see orders come in from other nations once its in service performance over a proper period of time has been evaluated.
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RE: Potential V22 Customers Outside The USA

Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:47 pm

According to wikipedia the UK will look at an AWACS version of the Osprey when they receive the Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carriers

[Edited 2008-04-08 09:49:25]
 
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RE: Potential V22 Customers Outside The USA

Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:48 pm



Quoting Foxy (Reply 2):
We may well see an order from the UK Navy for an AWACS version when they receive the Queen Elizabeth class Aircraft Carriers

That is an interesting idea the V22 as a E2 Hawkeye replacement ?
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RE: Potential V22 Customers Outside The USA

Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:47 am



Quoting Foxy (Reply 2):
According to wikipedia the UK will look at an AWACS version of the Osprey when they receive the Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carriers

I believe that it might be a bleak outlook for MASC- I really think funding might be reduced and Sea King Mk7 ASaC will be upgraded- again. I think I may have read that in Janes' Defence recently.
 
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RE: Potential V22 Customers Outside The USA

Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:27 am

yeah its no UH-60 or UH-1 yet! Just give it some time and all of our regular customers will be lineing up for there very own version of the V-22 Osprey.
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RE: Potential V22 Customers Outside The USA

Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:01 am

I can't remember where I read it, but Israel was interested in the V-22. Anyone got any info on that?
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RE: Potential V22 Customers Outside The USA

Thu Apr 10, 2008 7:11 am

Sure IDF talked about it, they tend to be very conservative into buying new aircraft models. Personally I doubt they do it...
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RE: Potential V22 Customers Outside The USA

Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:20 pm

If the Queen Series off Conventional Carriers stay as VSTOL only then a VSTOL type AWACS will be required but should problems be encounterd with the F-35 VSTOL project and the RR Engine gets pulled as some US Law Makers keep trying to do then the UK would pull out of the F-35 and a fixed wing Carrier AWACS would be required.

So keep praying the US Law makers keep there Sticky Fingers away from the Rolls Royce F-35 Engine and an Osprey AWACS may apear in the future.

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Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:38 pm



Quoting BlackProjects (Reply 8):
So keep praying the US Law makers keep there Sticky Fingers away from the Rolls Royce F-35 Engine and an Osprey AWACS may apear in the future.

I wonder what type of radar would be feasible to retain the Osprey's VTO and hover capabilities?  scratchchin 

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RE: Potential V22 Customers Outside The USA

Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:15 pm



Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 9):

I wonder what type of radar would be feasible to retain the Osprey's VTO and hover capabilities?

I guess something like the 737 wedgetail.
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RE: Potential V22 Customers Outside The USA

Thu Apr 10, 2008 6:47 pm



Quoting Columba (Reply 10):
I guess something like the 737 wedgetail.

Phased array is probably most likely but a small radome could also be practical. The wing stow ring structure could easily be strengthened to support this as it's mostly done with metal largely due to wear issues; one of the few substantial chunks in the whole aircraft that's not mostly composite.
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RE: Potential V22 Customers Outside The USA

Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:00 pm

Im wondering if the CV-22 could be Streched and the Wing Span increased which would allow for a Rotor Dome like a Hawkeye Nicely.

As the New RN Fleet Carriers will be rather Large Ships.

If the F-35 for the RN goes under it could be a Hawkeye instead of Osprey but I cant see the US Law makers risking so many US jobs and Billions of $ just for penny pinching reasons but they have done stranger things in the past.  confused   old 
 
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RE: Potential V22 Customers Outside The USA

Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:51 am



Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 9):
I wonder what type of radar would be feasible to retain the Osprey's VTO and hover capabilities?

You could mount it in place of the tailramp doors. This configuration was used for the failed Iraqi IL-76 Bagdhad-1 which attempted to use a Thompson-CSF radar.

The inflatable bubble pylon as used on the Sea King ASACS Mk7 could also be mounted on the rear fuselage side.
 
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RE: Potential V22 Customers Outside The USA

Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:32 am

I can see Australia being interested in it espcially for search and rescue over their vast wilderness that they have and the fuel capacities of the V-22. I also see Poland being interested in it in time for their special forces units. Japan probably and maybe Israel.
 
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RE: Potential V22 Customers Outside The USA

Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:56 am



Quoting BlackProjects (Reply 12):
Im wondering if the CV-22 could be Streched and the Wing Span increased which would allow for a Rotor Dome like a Hawkeye Nicely.

The Osprey is already quite expensive as it is, and the rotors (unfoldable) take up a lot of space which is always at a premium aboard carriers - even one as sizeable like the QE would be. They're having trouble funding little items like the BAE Guardian turret gun for it. Imagine what it'd be like asking for more money to fund development of a new derivative of a hitherto just starting to be proven design, for what essentially would be a very limited application.

Quoting BlackProjects (Reply 12):
If the F-35 for the RN goes under it could be a Hawkeye instead of Osprey but I cant see the US Law makers risking so many US jobs and Billions of $ just for penny pinching reasons but they have done stranger things in the past.

A few AWACS will hardly be very effective bargaining chips, considering their acquisition is not a given. F-35 or no, the E-2D Advance Hawkeye is simply the more practical proposition.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...lls-out-e2-d-advanced-hawkeye.html

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...n-improved-e-2-hawkeye-for-us.html


Quoting ACW367 (Reply 13):
You could mount it in place of the tailramp doors. This configuration was used for the failed Iraqi IL-76 Bagdhad-1 which attempted to use a Thompson-CSF radar.

How great a coverage would that provide?
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RE: Potential V22 Customers Outside The USA

Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:19 am



Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 15):
and the rotors (unfoldable)

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Quoting Wvsuperhornet (Reply 14):
I can see Australia being interested in it espcially for search and rescue over their vast wilderness that they have

Doubt it, distances are so vast that even the speed and range of the Osprey would see it rarely in the right place at the right time.
For our increasingly expeditionary military, perhaps but extremely unlikely

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RE: Potential V22 Customers Outside The USA

Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:08 pm

Is everybody suddenly convinced that the V-22 is not only a safe, but an efficient vehicle? Is it doing well in serivce?

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RE: Potential V22 Customers Outside The USA

Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:46 pm

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 16):

You got me there. I removed the question mark after "unfoldable" as I really haven't seen it that way, but in effect, a rotodome or a side-looking radar atop the fuselage would make those unstowable.

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Sat Apr 12, 2008 1:08 am



Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 17):
Is everybody suddenly convinced that the V-22 is not only a safe, but an efficient vehicle? Is it doing well in serivce?

I would like to know who said it really wasn't safe, granted there were some mishaps during R&D but there was an article on the discovery channel about it and the black hawk and the V-22 has considerably less mishaps. While I am not a fan or the cost and didn't really see a need in it at first, I can see where it can have its uses will it be worth the money spent on it, at least to me thats still the open question but time will tell. To my knowledge they had some trouble with it at first in the desert enviroment, but they have gotten it straighten out and for the record most of the aircraft have been having troubles in the sand.
 
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RE: Potential V22 Customers Outside The USA

Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:10 pm



Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 17):
Is everybody suddenly convinced that the V-22 is not only a safe, but an efficient vehicle? Is it doing well in serivce?

Peter

They talk about +1200 sorties of +2000 hours in Al-Anbar in Iraq, for 10 V22s, during the first 3 months of service. Some cooling problems though.
BTW how many V-22s are flying nowadays?
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RE: Potential V22 Customers Outside The USA

Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:51 pm



Quoting Columba (Reply 3):
That is an interesting idea the V22 as a E2 Hawkeye replacement ?



Quoting Foxy (Reply 2):
According to wikipedia the UK will look at an AWACS version of the Osprey when they receive the Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carriers

To follow on a AWACS version I think the US Navy should look into a an ASW/ USW/ ASUW version to replace the S-3s as well as SH-60s Helicopter Antisubmarine squadrons, it has the speed and range of a fixed wing aircraft such as the P-3 or S-3 and has the ability to loiter and hover with a dipping sonar such as the MH-60S.
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RE: Potential V22 Customers Outside The USA

Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:44 pm



Quoting Wvsuperhornet (Reply 14):
I can see Australia being interested in it espcially for search and rescue over their vast wilderness that they have and the fuel capacities of the V-22.

At 100 million USD per airframe I can't see Australia being interested in any at all, I doubt the Polish could afford them either.
 
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RE: Potential V22 Customers Outside The USA

Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:07 pm

Well, lot of politics involved in such deals, I wonder if Poland would be interested if they get part of the manufacturing?
BTW can anyone explain the pricetags on page 133 http://www.saffm.hq.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-080204-081.pdf
Is it 67Million US$ unarmed and 110Million US$ armed?
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