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Naval Strike Missile - Norway's New Super Weapon

Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:34 am

Norway's new super weapon:

The NSM Missile ( Norsk Sjømål Misil ) ( Naval Strike Missile )

http://www.kongsberg.com/images/artikler/31540/nsm_sea2.jpg


Designed for littoral waters as well as open sea scenarios. (The advanced design allows the missile to fly around and over landmasses.)
Made of composites, the NSM will be the world's most sophisticated stealth strike missile. Advanced design technology has minimised the missile's signature. Its excellent sea-skimming ability and random manouvres in the terminal phase make it virtually impossible to stop. The imaging infrared seeker is completely passive. Target selection is at the forefront of new technology. That provides NSM with a substantial capacity for autonomous detection and recognition of targets - at sea or on land.


The missile is rumoured to be able to trick any modern defence mechanism that any warship today has. It has infrared targeting, radiojammer, stealth and mechanism to defend itself against electromagnetic waves.

The missile will also fit into the F 35 and also go with Eurofighter and Gripen fighter planes.

The Norwegian defence company Kongsberg who has made the missile, has joined forces with Lockheed Martin to develop the missile for the F35.


Read more about it here:

http://www.kongsberg.com/eng/kda/pro...iles/navalxstrikexmissile&id=32934

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Strike_Missile
 
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Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:46 am

Ok, that thing can fly, but other than that, missiles (and naval missiles on top of it) have little to do with military aviation or space. With that being said, I don't really like to see "super weapons" being announced here in the form of blatant advertising.

Sorry. Have a nice day.
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RE: Naval Strike Missile - Norway's New Super Weapon

Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:15 pm



Quoting NoUFO (Reply 1):
Ok, that thing can fly, but other than that, missiles (and naval missiles on top of it) have little to do with military aviation or space. With that being said, I don't really like to see "super weapons" being announced here in the form of blatant advertising.

Sorry. Have a nice day.

allthough I think the NSM should be discussed on this part of the A.net forums, I agree with your remark that the first post is more like an advertisement. What is the opening question?
 
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RE: Naval Strike Missile - Norway's New Super Weapon

Fri Apr 25, 2008 1:06 pm

There is no question, just info. And I seriously doubt that anyone on this fourm will be interested in buying or use this thing so this was not an attept on advertising for anything. Frankly I wish we'de keep the missile to ourselv and not sell it to others sharing the tecknologie  Smile And yes the first paragraph is taken from the company's website.
 
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RE: Naval Strike Missile - Norway's New Super Weapon

Fri Apr 25, 2008 1:42 pm

Hmmm...I don't see much new except maybe stealing Tomahawk like design and capabilities and turning it into an anti-ship missile.
 
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RE: Naval Strike Missile - Norway's New Super Weapon

Fri Apr 25, 2008 2:53 pm



Quoting NoUFO (Reply 1):
Ok, that thing can fly, but other than that, missiles (and naval missiles on top of it) have little to do with military aviation or space.

That's hogwash. There is no other forum more appropriate than this one.
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RE: Naval Strike Missile - Norway's New Super Weapon

Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:13 pm



Quoting Checksixx (Reply 4):
Hmmm...I don't see much new except maybe stealing Tomahawk like design and capabilities and turning it into an anti-ship missile.

The NSM can be launched from airplanes for instance............... I don't think the Tomahawk can... The NSM is also stealth. I see no mention of stealth capabilities on the Tomahawk. Infact I don't see that the Tomahawk has anything of the special mechanism that the NSM has, other than infrared guidance...
 
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RE: Naval Strike Missile - Norway's New Super Weapon

Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:58 pm



Quoting Mortyman (Reply 6):
Infact I don't see that the Tomahawk has anything of the special mechanism that the NSM has, other than infrared guidance...

The Tomahawk can be fitted with TERCOM, which is a capability I seriously doubt NSM has.

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 6):
The NSM can be launched from airplanes for instance............... I don't think the Tomahawk can...

This is a political and not technical limitation. Instead, the less-capable AGM-86 was acquired.
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RE: Naval Strike Missile - Norway's New Super Weapon

Fri Apr 25, 2008 4:49 pm



Quoting N328KF (Reply 7):
The Tomahawk can be fitted with TERCOM, which is a capability I seriously doubt NSM has.

From what I understand, TERCOM is a kind of an onboard map and direction system ? I think the NSM has something similare:

" The target selection technology provides NSM with a capacity for independent detection, recognition, and discrimination of targets at sea or on the coast. This is possible by the combination of an imaging IR (IIR) seeker and an onboard target database. NSM is able to navigate by GPS, inertial and terrain reference systems."
 
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RE: Naval Strike Missile - Norway's New Super Weapon

Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:35 pm

It does seem to offer something new, not in the size/range bracket of Tomahawk either.
Since littoral ops are more likely nowadays, a modern system that can do that and the more usual anti ship blue water role as well as land attack, it would seem a versatile system.
In a modern, low observable package taking advantage of technological improvements over systems that are still effective, but date back 30-40 years as designs.

Certainly, I'd like to see the UK adopt it, to replace ship launched Harpoons, for carriage on RN F-35's and RAF Typhoons.
Norway has produced effective systems like this before, including sales to the US.
 
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RE: Naval Strike Missile - Norway's New Super Weapon

Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:01 pm



Quoting N328KF (Reply 7):
Tomahawk...AGM-86

Those are both large missiles. The AGM-86 is air launched, but only from B-52, B-1 & probably B-2. I don't think anyone would seriously consider the F-35, or any fighter, as a viable launch platform for a missile of this size.
The NSM sounds like it's closer to the AGM-84 Harpoon in terms of size & range.
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RE: Naval Strike Missile - Norway's New Super Weapon

Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:12 pm



Quoting N328KF (Reply 5):
That's hogwash. There is no other forum more appropriate than this one.

Agreed. I could have read about it elsewhere, but I certainly don't mind the info posted here.
 
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Sat Apr 26, 2008 12:54 am



Quoting MissedApproach (Reply 10):
I don't think anyone would seriously consider the F-35, or any fighter, as a viable launch platform for a missile of this size.

Interesting as the Indians are designing the Brahmos to fit under SU-30 series aircraft. This is certainly a Tomahawk sized weapon.

Quoting N328KF (Reply 7):
The Tomahawk can be fitted with TERCOM, which is a capability I seriously doubt NSM has.

TERCOM really isn't that great in a world of GPS waypoints and digital images. Tomahawk Block III has GPS while Block IV have moved onto DSMAC.

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 1):
Ok, that thing can fly, but other than that, missiles (and naval missiles on top of it) have little to do with military aviation or space.

What a silly statement. At what point do missiles which fly through air and space, not play a factor in a forum about military air and space?
 
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RE: Naval Strike Missile - Norway's New Super Weapon

Sat Apr 26, 2008 1:58 am



Quoting Mortyman (Reply 6):
The NSM can be launched from airplanes for instance............... I don't think the Tomahawk can

What do you call the B-2, B-1 and B-52?
 
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RE: Naval Strike Missile - Norway's New Super Weapon

Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:54 am

So, the missile is randomly fired and it basically autonomously chooses the target?

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RE: Naval Strike Missile - Norway's New Super Weapon

Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:40 am



Quoting Checksixx (Reply 13):
What do you call the B-2, B-1 and B-52?

The Tomahawk is from what I understand from Wikipedia ( and they actually seem accurate on this one ) is launched from ships and submarines, NOT planes.

However you have something similare for planes. This would be it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-129_ACM
 
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RE: Naval Strike Missile - Norway's New Super Weapon

Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:54 am



Quoting Blackbird (Reply 14):
So, the missile is randomly fired and it basically autonomously chooses the target?

When the target has been chosen by the person that launch it, it will stay on target and not let anything interfere with it's flightpath. If you are asking if the operator of the missile can change target in midair / if it has a kill switch - I do not know.
 
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RE: Naval Strike Missile - Norway's New Super Weapon

Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:20 am



Quoting Mortyman (Reply 15):
The Tomahawk is from what I understand from Wikipedia ( and they actually seem accurate on this one ) is launched from ships and submarines, NOT planes.

Air launched Tomahawk was developed but never deployed.

Quote:
Two proposed Tomahawk variants were not deployed, the Ground Launched Cruise Missile (GLCM) --named Gryphon -- which was cancelled because of the U.S.-Soviet Intermediate-range Nuclear Forces (INF) agreement, and the AGM-109 air-launched Tomahawk. The latter weapon was flight tested from A-6 Intruder aircraft.

That may well change though and plans are afoot to deploy it.

Quote:
The continued problems being encountered in flight tests of the Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile (JASSM) could lead to resurrection of the air-launched Tomahawk missile.

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/003552.html

I will take the expertise of Norman Polmar over Wikipedia any day.

Note it was launched from an A-6. An F-18 or F-35 could easily carry a couple of them. It would be overkill IMHO though.
 
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RE: Naval Strike Missile - Norway's New Super Weap

Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:32 pm



Quoting Checksixx (Reply 4):
Hmmm...I don't see much new except maybe stealing Tomahawk like design and capabilities and turning it into an anti-ship missile.

 confused 

The tomahawk is three times as heavy. It's warhead is heavier then the entire NSM. Its 2500km vs 160km in range... Arn't we comparing apples and oranges?? Wouldn't a comparison with AGM-65 Maverick, AGM-84 Harpoon (although smaller and shorter range) or RBS-15 be more appropriate? I'm no missile expert, but I'm more then happy if you enlighten me...
 
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RE: Naval Strike Missile - Norway's New Super Weapon

Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:09 am



Quoting TGIF (Reply 18):
Quoting Checksixx (Reply 4):
Hmmm...I don't see much new except maybe stealing Tomahawk like design and capabilities and turning it into an anti-ship missile.

The tomahawk is three times as heavy. It's warhead is heavier then the entire NSM. Its 2500km vs 160km in range... Arn't we comparing apples and oranges?? Wouldn't a comparison with AGM-65 Maverick, AGM-84 Harpoon (although smaller and shorter range) or RBS-15 be more appropriate? I'm no missile expert, but I'm more then happy if you enlighten me...

Who the heck said I was comparing it to a Tomahawk? I clearly described what it looked like...nothing more. Please read what I wrote before replying.
 
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RE: Naval Strike Missile - Norway's New Super Weap

Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:28 am



Quoting Checksixx (Reply 19):

Who the heck said I was comparing it to a Tomahawk? I clearly described what it looked like...nothing more. Please read what I wrote before replying.

Well since your post, the thread has been all about the Tomahawk and whether you can fit it to a A/C or not. I just wanted to know more about the NSM and how it would rate against comparable missiles. Sorry if you feel I attacked you personally...
 
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RE: Naval Strike Missile - Norway's New Super Weapon

Fri May 02, 2008 5:41 am

FIASKO!

According tho Norwegian newsmedia they had a test-firing "in California" of a prototype last Friday
(April 25).
Nothing happened when the launch-command was given.  banghead 

As the propulsion motor was armed it could not safely be removed, so the missile had to be destroyed "in place"


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RE: Naval Strike Missile - Norway's New Super Weapon

Sat May 03, 2008 9:00 am



Quoting Scooter01 (Reply 21):
FIASKO!

According tho Norwegian newsmedia they had a test-firing "in California" of a prototype last Friday
(April 25).
Nothing happened when the launch-command was given.   

As the propulsion motor was armed it could not safely be removed, so the missile had to be destroyed "in place"

I wouldn't worry about it at all...modern weapons have so much software in them that needs to be de-bugged before everything works properly. If you look up AMRAAM's testing history, you'll see that they screwed up a lot in the beginning. Now that all the bugs are worked out, the thing almost never misses.
 
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RE: Naval Strike Missile - Norway's New Super Weapon

Sat May 03, 2008 9:34 am



Quoting IronDuke08 (Reply 22):
I wouldn't worry about it at all...

I'm not worried, the software has been flying for years in one of these:

http://i32.tinypic.com/2hmlpw6.jpg

as the "Eye of the Tiger" project.

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RE: Naval Strike Missile - Norway's New Super Weapon

Sat May 03, 2008 4:29 pm



Quoting NoUFO (Reply 1):
Ok, that thing can fly, but other than that, missiles (and naval missiles on top of it) have little to do with military aviation or space.

It's military hardware that flies. What could be more appropriate. If you disapprove of weaponry, I suggest you avoid this forum as it's endemic here.

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 3):
Frankly I wish we'de keep the missile to ourselv and not sell it to others sharing the tecknologie

Would you be able to afford to develop it without the export market?
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RE: Naval Strike Missile - Norway's New Super Weapon

Sat May 03, 2008 9:15 pm



Quoting NoUFO (Reply 1):
Ok, that thing can fly, but other than that, missiles (and naval missiles on top of it) have little to do with military aviation or space.

The thing has wings, a jet engine, a rocket engine, avionics, etc

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