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Forgotten Names?

Sat May 03, 2008 7:59 am

I've been searching in vain for an explanation as to why military transport aircraft designed and built during the Soviet era and given the NATO codenames as COCK (An-22), CONDOR (An-124), and COSSACK (An-225) now are mentioned as Antei, Ruslan and Mriya, but fighters such as FOXBAT, FISHBED, FLANKER, bombers as BEAR, BLACKJACK, BACKFIRE and other military aircraft still carry their NATO codenames?

Maybe this should be a "Site related" question, but I feel I will get a more intelligent answer in this forum.

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RE: Forgotten Names?

Sat May 03, 2008 3:25 pm



Quoting Scooter01 (Thread starter):
NATO codenames as COCK (An-22), CONDOR (An-124), and COSSACK (An-225) now are mentioned as Antei, Ruslan and Mriya,

Because these are marketed for civilian usage and the makers, owners and operators wish to market their own names for the aircraft.

Quoting Scooter01 (Thread starter):
but fighters such as FOXBAT, FISHBED, FLANKER, bombers as BEAR, BLACKJACK, BACKFIRE and other military aircraft still carry their NATO codenames?

Because these are not marketed for civilian usage and the manufacturers names have not gained common usage outside of their operators.
 
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RE: Forgotten Names?

Sun May 04, 2008 7:29 pm

As a rule the fighter and bomber types never had a name as well as a model number, several Russian civilian types had a name as well as a model number (e.g. Il-18 Moskva).
 
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RE: Forgotten Names?

Sat May 10, 2008 5:47 am

Somewhat related: The MIG-29 is called Fulcrum by both NATO and the Russians, as they liked the name and it's meaning and so decided to adopt it (unofficially).
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RE: Forgotten Names?

Sat May 10, 2008 10:18 pm



Quoting ZuluLima (Reply 3):
The MIG-29 is called Fulcrum by both NATO and the Russians, as they liked the name and it's meaning and so decided to adopt it (unofficially).

I wonder how they reacted to the MiG-15's NATO nickname, back in the day...
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RE: Forgotten Names?

Sun May 11, 2008 12:12 am



Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 4):
I wonder how they reacted to the MiG-15's NATO nickname, back in the day...

They may have had a very good laugh. The MiG-15's original NATO name was 'Falcon', but this was changed to 'Fagot' because it was considered 'too laudatory'.
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