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C-130J To Israel

Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:20 pm

Earlier in May, Israel has placed an order for 25 F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighters, with options for a further 50.

The 25 aircraft will be of the conventional take-off and landing F-35A variant, however, some of the options may be of the short take-off and landing F-35B variant.

Deliveries are expected to be between 2013-2014.
 
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RE: C-130J To Israel

Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:41 pm



Quoting Jabs (Thread starter):
Earlier in May, Israel has placed an order for 25 F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighters, with options for a further 50.

The 25 aircraft will be of the conventional take-off and landing F-35A variant, however, some of the options may be of the short take-off and landing F-35B variant.

Deliveries are expected to be between 2013-2014.

interesting but it was likely to happen but what about the C130J ?
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RE: C-130J To Israel

Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:15 pm



Quoting Columba (Reply 1):
interesting but it was likely to happen but what about the C130J ?

My guess is Israel will place an order for 40 C-130Js by the end of the year, then an order for 15 A-400Ms about the end of 2009. They need to begin replacing their C-130Es soon, and later on the C-130Hs. I also see a C-17A order coming from them in mid to late 2009 to begin replacing El-Al B-747Fs
 
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RE: C-130J To Israel

Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:05 pm



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2):
I also see a C-17A order coming from them in mid to late 2009 to begin replacing El-Al B-747Fs

TopBoom, I'm not questioning your expertise and experience, but what makes you see an order from Israel for C-17's, which are (I think) a lot more expensive to operate than El-Al's B-747F's? That's a mighty big aircraft (and my favorite!) for such a small country that doesn't do too much outside her borders. Countries bordering Israel are exempted from that statement obviously!

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RE: C-130J To Israel

Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:05 pm

Sorry about this. That was my previous post.

Earlier in May Israel made a request for between three and five C-130J-30 Super Hercules.

A Request for Information on the C-130J was issued by Israel last year in order to begin replacement of the IASF's 18 C-130E/Hs, but the high cost of the type led to a purchase decision to be delayed.

Increased production rates have reduced overall unit costs and the IASF has shown renewed interest.

First C-130J delivery is being sought in 2013.
 
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RE: C-130J To Israel

Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:18 pm



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2):
My guess is Israel will place an order for 40 C-130Js by the end of the year, then an order for 15 A-400Ms about the end of 2009. They need to begin replacing their C-130Es soon, and later on the C-130Hs. I also see a C-17A order coming from them in mid to late 2009 to begin replacing El-Al B-747Fs

Like already mentioned, even with U.S. aid, they can only muster buying half a dozen examples of the J-herc. And this deal has been 10 years in the making. The IDF/AF would be lucky to replace their E/H hercs at a one-to-one ratio with Js. El Al's cargo fleet has practically nothing to do with the military, and is not in any real need for replacement anyways (LY currently has 4 B742F/C/SFs). When the time comes they will be replaced with 747-400s.

By the way, the only IDF/AF replacement project that's been put off more times than the C-130J purchase is the replacement of the 707 fleet. The 707's SIGINT and ECM duties have been taken over by other platforms (most notably the G550), and VIP flights are now mostly outsourced (although the G550 recently stepped in for that role too, despite the fact all 7 examples are in operational configuration) but there is still no viable replacement for the A/R function. While studies were undertaken over a decade ago, no decision was reached, and in the meantime more 707's were converted to tankers.


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RE: C-130J To Israel

Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:07 pm



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2):
My guess is Israel will place an order for 40 C-130Js by the end of the year, then an order for 15 A-400Ms about the end of 2009. They need to begin replacing their C-130Es soon, and later on the C-130Hs. I also see a C-17A order coming from them in mid to late 2009 to begin replacing El-Al B-747Fs

You are joking right ? Israel only has 20 C130s and you suggest them to buy 40 C130Js, 15 A400M (totally ridiculous for Israel anyway) and C17s on top of that......you were joking, were you ?
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RE: C-130J To Israel

Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:10 pm



Quoting LY744 (Reply 5):
By the way, the only IDF/AF replacement project that's been put off more times than the C-130J purchase is the replacement of the 707 fleet. The 707's SIGINT and ECM duties have been taken over by other platforms (most notably the G550), and VIP flights are now mostly outsourced (although the G550 recently stepped in for that role too, despite the fact all 7 examples are in operational configuration) but there is still no viable replacement for the A/R function. While studies were undertaken over a decade ago, no decision was reached, and in the meantime more 707's were converted to tankers.

Since I would rule out Airbus here, too, I can see a Boeing BBJ take over the VIP flights and a KC 767 as a tanker. Maybe even a conversion of old passenger jets.
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RE: C-130J To Israel

Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:47 pm



Quoting LY744 (Reply 5):
Like already mentioned, even with U.S. aid, they can only muster buying half a dozen examples of the J-herc.



Quoting Columba (Reply 6):
You are joking right ? Israel only has 20 C130s and you suggest them to buy 40 C130Js, 15 A400M (totally ridiculous for Israel anyway) and C17s on top of that......you were joking, were you ?

My Lockheed retiree magazine states, IAF is in discussion for 3 to 5 J's with options on a like amount.
 
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RE: C-130J To Israel

Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:22 pm



Quoting 474218 (Reply 8):
IAF is in discussion for 3 to 5 J's with options on a like amount.

Yes 3-5 but not 40 plus 15 A400M plus C17s...........
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RE: C-130J To Israel

Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:01 pm



Quoting Jabs (Reply 3):
Earlier in May Israel made a request for between three and five C-130J-30 Super Hercules.

Good for Israel, I know they will be very happy will the "J" it is amazing to see it perform next to the legacy models.
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RE: C-130J To Israel

Sun Aug 03, 2008 6:36 pm

The deal submitted for Congressional approval the other day includes 2 new details:

- the number of aircraft in the proposed deal has risen to 9
- the aircraft are to be of the C-130J-30 variety (stretched)

Deal is valued at about 1.9 Billion USD.


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