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Spanish Police Nail Iran F-4/F-14 Parts Smugglers

Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:24 pm

According to The Wall Street Journal, Spanish police have busted a smuggling ring (allegedly tied to Iran) which was attempting to smuggle F-4 and F-14 parts:

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MADRID (AFP)--Spanish police said Friday they have broken up a network suspected of smuggling spare parts for military aircraft to a country in the Middle East, which Spanish media identified as Iran.

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Europa Press said the parts were for F4 and F14 fighters jets, Hercules transport planes and helicopters.

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Original article: Spain Police Smash Network Smuggling Military Aircraft Parts
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RE: Spanish Police Nail Iran F-4/F-14 Parts Smugglers

Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:30 pm

So despite the loud Iranian claims about those various re-engineered F-5 versions, they still feel the need to try and keep airworthy some US types all at least 30 years or more old.

If I were them, I'd concentrate on the Mig-29's and the inadvertent gifts from Saddam in the shape of the SU-24's.
 
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Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:43 am

If the F-14 and F-4 were beyond repair, they wouldn't try to smuggle them. This means that the F-4 and F-14 could still be airworthy, at least some of them...

Let's just hope we will not see USAF F-18 Super Hornets vs F-14s soon. But even if we will, I am pretty confident the outdated F-14s will stand no chance against sophisticated Awacs-supported, Amraam equipped F-18s...
 
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RE: Spanish Police Nail Iran F-4/F-14 Parts Smugglers

Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:04 am



Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 2):
Let's just hope we will not see USAF F-18 Super Hornets vs F-14s soon

The Air Force does not fly the F-18. Only the Navy and the Marine Corps.
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RE: Spanish Police Nail Iran F-4/F-14 Parts Smugglers

Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:29 am



Quoting P3Orion (Reply 3):
The Air Force does not fly the F-18. Only the Navy and the Marine Corps.

An allusion to when the SECDEF makes the AF start buying a more affordable fighter  Smile

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RE: Spanish Police Nail Iran F-4/F-14 Parts Smugglers

Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:13 pm



Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 2):
If the F-14 and F-4 were beyond repair, they wouldn't try to smuggle them. This means that the F-4 and F-14 could still be airworthy, at least some of them...

Of course they have. along with F4, F5, Mig29, Flankers, Fencers, Chinooks, UH1's etc.
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They have build an industry durig the last 20 years to support and even launched signiicant support programs.

During the Iran/Iraq war the Iran Airforce was even secretly supported via Israel. Sadam winning the war was considered more dangerous than supporting Komeini.
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Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:01 pm



Quoting P3Orion (Reply 3):
The Air Force does not fly the F-18. Only the Navy and the Marine Corps.

It was late yesterday  Wink
 
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RE: Spanish Police Nail Iran F-4/F-14 Parts Smugglers

Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:59 am

IMO a modern F/A-18EF would wipe the floor with a IAF F-14A. Tomcats are great aircraft, but thses ones are still 30 years old and not upgraded. Im pretty sure in a conflict they wouldnt even take off.
 
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RE: Spanish Police Nail Iran F-4/F-14 Parts Smugglers

Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:58 pm



Quoting Oroka (Reply 7):
IMO a modern F/A-18EF would wipe the floor with a IAF F-14A. Tomcats are great aircraft, but thses ones are still 30 years old and not upgraded. Im pretty sure in a conflict they wouldnt even take off.

Either that, or the F-15s F-16s and F-22s would wipe them off the sky shortly. And please God forbid this from ever happening, because winning air-to-air is the least of the concerns compared to the mess that would ensue.
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RE: Spanish Police Nail Iran F-4/F-14 Parts Smugglers

Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:22 pm

Remember, the IIAF F-14s are all (lessor) F-14As, the lessor version of the USN F-14A. They have only yhr TF-33 engine, which the USN found very problematic during the 1990s and up until the F-14A retirement.

The F/A-18E/F will still have a very difficult time against the F-14As, but US CAP will be provided by F-15Cs and F-22As, should it ever come to hostilities between the US and Iran. The F-15C/F-22A will not have very mush difficulty with the F-14As.

But, everyone seems to by-pass the bigger threat here, the IIAF F/RF-4D/Es. This multi-role airplane is still very formidable. It has excellent low-level capabilities, and is a very good bomber that can defend itself.
 
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RE: Spanish Police Nail Iran F-4/F-14 Parts Smugglers

Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:33 pm



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 9):
The F/A-18E/F will still have a very difficult time against the F-14As, but US CAP will be provided by F-15Cs and F-22As, should it ever come to hostilities between the US and Iran. The F-15C/F-22A will not have very mush difficulty with the F-14As.

The quality and training of the crew are at least as important as the type aircraft flown. Given a veteran F-14A pilot vs a nugget in a Super Bug... I like the F-14A odds...
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RE: Spanish Police Nail Iran F-4/F-14 Parts Smugglers

Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:26 pm



Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 10):
The quality and training of the crew are at least as important as the type aircraft flown. Given a veteran F-14A pilot vs a nugget in a Super Bug... I like the F-14A odds...

I don't know, but the US fighter pilots are as good as the Israelis. That could be some very long odds for the IIAF F-14A crew.
 
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RE: Spanish Police Nail Iran F-4/F-14 Parts Smugglers

Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:02 pm



Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 10):
The quality and training of the crew are at least as important as the type aircraft flown. Given a veteran F-14A pilot vs a nugget in a Super Bug... I like the F-14A odds...

Yes, but despite all needs to save taxpayer money, which is a concern especially in the German Air Force, I would bet that this favours the US, as well. Don't forget that Iranian F-14s, if still able to fly, have only limited amounts of spare parts available. This means that they can only have limited flying hours in order to last as long as possible.

But, to say it again: I hope such a war will not be necessary. This could set the whole world on flames...

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