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Apollo 11 Landing 39 Yrs Ago Today

Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:39 pm

Hard to believe it was 39 years ago today when the eagle landed. Hopefully it won't be 39 years before we go back.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_11



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RE: Apollo 11 Landing 39 Yrs Ago Today

Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:46 pm

Unbelievable. I just do hope that we will see a moon landing and the Ares V become reality in 10 years from now, even if it is still doubtful that we will see this come happen.

I just hope I live long enough to see a moon landing, as I didn't have the chance to see the last one 39 years ago. Maybe the 40 year anniversary next year can put public pressure on the next US government not to cancel the planned project.
 
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RE: Apollo 11 Landing 39 Yrs Ago Today

Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:16 pm

If you have not yet got it, I have the very highest possible recommendation for the film In The Shadow Of The Moon .

Familiar but also fresh and new.
Armstrong was not one of the contributors, sad but it's his call and many perhaps under-estimate the avalanche of requests, invitations and let's fact it, crank stuff from idiots, he is subject to.

But, the other Apollo vets, more than made up, they were passionate, informed, funny, grounded and often very eloquent.

Special mention to Ed Mitchell, whole Collins, the only in the film who only flew a mission as a CMP, effectively stood in for Armstrong and did a fine job.

For me perhaps, there was not quite enough surface EVA footage, but only perhaps, one sequence showing an Astronaut, (Schmitt I think), standing alone with a mountain range behind.
But the camera on the Rover, pans back, and back, back more, as the scale of the landscape becomes apparent, in the end, the space suited figure is not much more than a dot.
With the discreet, unobtrusive score accompanying this sequence, it attains an almost spiritual dimension. It illustrates the more striking thoughts of the contributing Apollo vets.
Worth the DVD price alone.
 
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RE: Apollo 11 Landing 39 Yrs Ago Today

Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:39 pm



Quoting GDB (Reply 2):
Armstrong was not one of the contributors, sad but it's his call and many perhaps under-estimate the avalanche of requests, invitations and let's fact it, crank stuff from idiots, he is subject to.

That nut job that Buzz Aldrin punched in the face comes to mind.
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RE: Apollo 11 Landing 39 Yrs Ago Today

Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:02 pm

Yes, good old Buzz, decades older, smaller and lighter than his tormentor but he twatted the fool with one punch.
But then he'd fought Migs over Korea, tested high performance types, an outstanding EVA on his first (Gemini) spaceflight, then was the second human on the Moon.
What is a fool conspiracy type to him?
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RE: Apollo 11 Landing 39 Yrs Ago Today

Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:54 pm



Quoting GDB (Reply 2):


If you have not yet got it, I have the very highest possible recommendation for the film In The Shadow Of The Moon .

Armstrong was not one of the contributors, sad but it's his call and many perhaps under-estimate the avalanche of requests, invitations and let's fact it, crank stuff from idiots, he is subject to.

I was astonished to see Armstrong participating in Discovery Channel's When We Left Earth, which should be available on DVD and Blu-Ray soon if not already.

Another very good program for space geeks was Discovery Science Channel's Moon Machines, which had six one-hour episodes earlier this month, one each on the Saturn V, Apollo Command Module, Lunar Module, Lunar Rover, Navigation system, and the space suits. Very interesting to see the people who actually designed, developed, and built all the Apollo hardware actually talking about how they did it. My favorite was the episode about the Lunar Rover... something that's usually only glossed over in Apollo documentaries. The guy talking about using his son's GI Joe as the "astronaut" on his scale-model Lunar Rover demonstrator to convince von Braun it would work... priceless!
 
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RE: Apollo 11 Landing 39 Yrs Ago Today

Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:16 pm

I guess most of you have read those already, but I would like to add the books "A man on the moon" and "Failure is not an option", which deal with the humans on the moon and on the ground in mission control in a very interesting manner. Absolutely magnificent books.

Both books focus a lot on the thoughts and the humans involved in the project, while the technical aspects are not mentioned too broad in the books.

Therefore, I am looking for some book which has a more in-depth view on the technical aspects of the Saturn V rocket. Do you know any book which focuses on the technical aspects on how we went to the moon, seen from an engineering point of view?
 
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RE: Apollo 11 Landing 39 Yrs Ago Today

Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:51 pm



Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 6):
Therefore, I am looking for some book which has a more in-depth view on the technical aspects of the Saturn V rocket.

Stages to Saturn by Roger Billstein (NASA History Series, 1979)

http://books.google.com/books?id=Jno..._result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPR2,M1

also here...

http://history.nasa.gov/on-line.html

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 6):
Do you know any book which focuses on the technical aspects on how we went to the moon, seen from an engineering point of view?

Apollo: The Race To The Moon by Charles Murray and Catherine Bly Cox (1989)

This book is the perfect counterpart to the astronaut-centric A Man On The Moon as it tells the same story from primarily the point of view of Mission Control. (I rate it much more highly than Kranz's Failure Is Not An Option.)

Also, a few interest titles...
Moon Lander by Tom Kelly
How the Lunar Module was built, written by the man who led the program at Grumman

Angle Of Attack: Harrison Storms and the Race to the Moon by Mike Gray
This reportedly was pitched as a screenplay to Hollywood, but it is a very interesting read about the early days of Apollo leading up the Fire.

Several other titles in the NASA History Series. They're official NASA publications, so they gloss over some of the political/engineering wars, but there is still a treasure trove of information in them...

http://history.nasa.gov/on-line.html

Moonport (about Kennedy Space Center)
Chariots For Apollo (about the Apollo spacecraft)
Where No Man Has Gone Before (about lunar science of Apollo)
 
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RE: Apollo 11 Landing 39 Yrs Ago Today

Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:55 pm

The Sonntag,
Check out the book "Stages to Saturn" if you are looking for technical stuff. I enjoyed it quite a bit. It has lots of good tech details about the construction of the rockets, the materials used and the development process for the vehicle.
 
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RE: Apollo 11 Landing 39 Yrs Ago Today

Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:03 am



Quoting Thorny (Reply 7):



Quoting F86sabre (Reply 8):

Thank you Thorny and you F86 for your replies. I am always astonished how much information you can gather on the Saturn project... I find it quite surprising that the book is available for reading online.

I actually liked Kranz's book, because it told the story from his point of view and his view on leadership, which I found very interesting and debatable. I am not so sure I would like to have him as a boss, though, but I guess you have to be like him in that business.
 
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RE: Apollo 11 Landing 39 Yrs Ago Today

Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:37 am

Thanks folks. Just orders most of the books and DVD you mentioned. Keep the list going. I have a great interest in the moon program from the engineering side. I have read the NASA Moonport and Chariots docs. Great read and educaitonal on the realities faced.

I forget who said it in which documentary- maybe Lovell. When he came around from the back side of the moon and was the first to see an earth rise. He said he held his thumb up and thought all we know, have done, fought over and think fits under his thumb. Amazing concept to be the first person to see earth like that.
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RE: Apollo 11 Landing 39 Yrs Ago Today

Sun Aug 24, 2008 7:53 pm

Hi folks.
Shadow of the Moon is one of the best movies I have ever watched. The commentary version is fantastic also. Recommend it to anyone. Just remember to turn up the sound for the orchestra playing during the launch sequence as the contrast of the music to the raw power is spectacular with surround sound. The extra clip interviews are as good as the movie for some of the pointed honest statements.

Question I have- The stages fell to earth. I thought everything burned up except Stage 1 and the interstage for 1. Now hearing the commentary, they had all these cameras which were recovered on top of stage 1 and other stage pieces falling to the Atlantic. They must know where the stages fell and has anyone seen maps or photos of them either falling or crashing or post crash?
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RE: Apollo 11 Landing 39 Yrs Ago Today

Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:11 am



Quoting Ba97 (Reply 11):
Question I have- The stages fell to earth. I thought everything burned up except Stage 1 and the interstage for 1. Now hearing the commentary, they had all these cameras which were recovered on top of stage 1 and other stage pieces falling to the Atlantic. They must know where the stages fell and has anyone seen maps or photos of them either falling or crashing or post crash?

The first stage was the only one to reach the ocean, and it broke up during descent. There was a story about a fishing boat that got quite a view when it slipped into the launch danger area and saw the debris from the S-1C coming down uncomfortably close by.

As far as I know, no one has gone out looking for the wreckage. Some of it might have been mapped when NASA went looking for the STS-4 SRBs (which sank after the parachutes malfunctioned) but I doubt it, the impact zones were very different. Challenger's wreckage was much closer to shore.

The film footage was in a pod that was jettisoned and parachuted to the Atlantic, but not all the pods were recovered... several were lost at sea and presumably sank.

The most famous footage is from SA-501 (Apollo 4) in November 1967. There are actually two films of the S-IC/Interstage falling away, seen from camera pods on opposite sides of the S-II. If you watch this footage in its entirety, you can see the beginning of the camera ejection process before the film abruptly ends.

The footage looking upward at the S-IV, with its six RL-10 engines igniting, is from a Saturn I, SA-6 (May 1964).

The footage looking upward at the S-IVB, with its single J-2 engine igniting, is from SA-204 (Apollo 5) a Saturn IB in January 1968. This footage is often shown in conjunction with the famous Apollo 4 first stage and interstage separation footage and presented as a Saturn V launch, but the three separation motors reveal it to be the Saturn IB variant, not the Saturn V variant.

SA-7 and SA-201 also carried capsules, but the capsules were lost at sea (SA-7 due to Hurricane Gladys.)
 
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RE: Apollo 11 Landing 39 Yrs Ago Today

Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:04 pm

Now where Apollo 11 is approaching the 40 years, will there be any big event at NASA next year? I mean, given the current problems connected to the Ares programme, this is a PR opportunity to promote the future moon plans with the new administration which NASA cannot afford to miss out.

So, are there any plans for this event already?

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