ryu2
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Are US Military A/c Allowed To Transit Taipei FIR?

Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:41 pm

Due to the diplomatic situation between US and China, are US military aircraft allowed to overfly the Taipei FIR? If not, then it would really add a bit when AF1 was flying between Seoul and Bangkok.

Just curious.  Smile
 
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RE: Are US Military A/c Allowed To Transit Taipei FIR?

Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:08 pm

 
ryu2
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RE: Are US Military A/c Allowed To Transit Taipei FIR?

Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:27 am

But that link you posted doesn't mention anything about US military traffic. My question is can US military or government aircraft use the Taipei FIR in their flight planning?
 
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RE: Are US Military A/c Allowed To Transit Taipei FIR?

Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:57 am

According to the various ICAO treaties NO government can deny the air space in an FIR it controls to ANY aircraft, UNLESS the air space is also within its territory. So a country cannot legally prevent anybody using that part of a FIR, that is outside its territory. What actually happens in specific cases, well ...

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RE: Are US Military A/c Allowed To Transit Taipei FIR?

Mon Aug 11, 2008 2:22 pm



Quoting Ryu2 (Reply 2):
But that link you posted doesn't mention anything about US military traffic. My question is can US military or government aircraft use the Taipei FIR in their flight planning

I don't see why not, Taiwan and the United States are allies.
 
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RE: Are US Military A/c Allowed To Transit Taipei FIR?

Mon Aug 11, 2008 3:03 pm

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Quoting 474218 (Reply 4):
I don't see why not, Taiwan and the United States are allies.



In a technical sense the US and Taiwan are NOT allies. On paper the US does not even recognize the Taiwanese government as legitimate, and there are no formal diplomatic relations. According to current US policy, Taiwan is a part of China. We oppose Chinese military action against Taiwan, and we also oppose a Taiwanese declaration of independence. The US is in no way treaty bound to defend Taiwan or vice versa.

But....the US does a lot of trade with Taiwan. We have even exported sophisticated weapons to them. The US relationship with Taiwan has been strong goes way back.

It is commonly believed that the US would come to Taiwan's defense if China got rough, though this is by no means assured. In truth, the US public would probably support such an intervention but only with the usual conditions. That is, the public wants no significant casualties and limited damage to the US economy. The US public will support war as long as they don't have to make any sacrifices. This leads to the infuriating sight of politicians clamoring for war then backing down when (surprise, surprise) people get killed and expenses go through the roof.

A president's decision on whether to help the Taiwanese in the event of an attack would depend a lot on who the president is and the specifics of the situation. One key factor not often discussed is that a great deal of the industrial capacity used to support the information economy is in Taiwan. The Taiwanese don't only assemble computers. A large proportion of the word's "fab" plants that make microchips are in Taiwan. These are very expensive and hard to replace. The US would be under a lot of pressure to choose the option that best protects this capacity.

So on the one hand, we treat Taiwan like Japan on or South Korea. On the other hand, we treat them like North Korea or Iran. This schizophrenic approach has actually served us pretty well - it allows for a pretty positive relationship with both sides while buying time to resolve the issue. In diplomacy, consistency is not always a virtue.
 
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RE: Are US Military A/c Allowed To Transit Taipei FIR?

Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:31 pm

Yes US military flights can and do transit ROC airspace.
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