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French Presidency Will Get Its "Air Force One"

Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:43 pm

I've seen this in a French article :

http://www.lefigaro.fr/politique/200...-offre-un-airbus-presidentiel-.php

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French Presidency has announced that it will order three planes: two Falcons 7x and one A330-200.

The purchase of these 3 planes has been revealed by La Dépêche du Midi on Wednesday and confirmed in the evening by the French presidency. According to this newspaper, the A330 will be refurbished and reequipped by Sabena Technics based in Merignac, near Bordeaux.

The two Falcon 7x [...] will replace two Falcons 900 and four Falcons 50 used by the Government. Some are 20 years old.

[...]

According Jean-Dominique Merchet, defense specialist of newspaper Libération, the second hand A330-200 would be purchased from Air Caraibes (registration F-OPTP).

[...]

The current presidential plane, an A319CJ bought in 2002, needed to do stopovers on long-haul flights.

[...] Sabena did not say much on what will be implemented on the plane, but we can guess that it will be equipped with secured means of communication, a bedroom, a bathroom (as it is the case on the A319) as well security systems like anti-missile devices.

[...]

The total amount has not been revealed, but some specialists say it would cost between 100 and 300 million euros, all paid by the Ministry of Defense

This would be the next French presidential plane:

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RE: French Presidency Will Get Its "Air Force One"

Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:55 pm

Interesting! At least they are going for something more reasonable then the Jordanians!  Wink
 
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Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:59 pm



Quoting Maxisno1 (Reply 1):
At least they are going for something more reasonable then the Jordanians! Wink

Yeah like Germany did with the LH A340.
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RE: French Presidency Will Get Its "Air Force One"

Thu Sep 18, 2008 3:37 pm

But still not as Mr. George W. Bush air force 1  Wink
 
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RE: French Presidency Will Get Its "Air Force One"

Thu Sep 18, 2008 3:40 pm



Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 3):
But still not as Mr. George W. Bush air force 1 Wink

No, but I think he should change his plane as well. How old is Air Force One?
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RE: French Presidency Will Get Its "Air Force One"

Thu Sep 18, 2008 4:14 pm

I think Reagan at the end of his term was the first President to fly on it
 
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Thu Sep 18, 2008 4:22 pm



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 4):
How old is Air Force One?

Built in 1987. In service since 1990.
 
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Thu Sep 18, 2008 4:23 pm



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 4):
No, but I think he should change his plane as well. How old is Air Force One?

In terms of hours, the 2 VC-25 are very young (10,000 hours or so?). There would be no need to replace them yet, given they are in perfect condition.


This seems like a nice compromise for the French. France is a great nation that deserves a good vehicle for their president. To buy used is an astute move on their part.
 
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Thu Sep 18, 2008 4:33 pm

What do the French Air Force do with their A340-200?


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Thu Sep 18, 2008 4:34 pm



Quoting GrahamHill (Thread starter):
French Presidency has announced that it will order three planes: two Falcons 7x and one A330-200.

The information about the A330 is online on CH-Aviation since about May 2008... Sometimes the media are very slow....
 
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Thu Sep 18, 2008 4:43 pm



Quoting 413X3 (Reply 5):
I think Reagan at the end of his term was the first President to fly on it



Quoting AAmd11 (Reply 6):
Built in 1987. In service since 1990.

Thanks guys!

Quoting Flighty (Reply 7):
There would be no need to replace them yet, given they are in perfect condition.

Indeed. I did not know she had so little hours of flight.

Quoting Irobertson (Reply 8):
What do the French Air Force do with their A340-200?

I have absolutely no idea!

Quoting Viasa (Reply 9):

The information about the A330 is online on CH-Aviation since about May 2008... Sometimes the media are very slow....

Well, let's say it's been "official" since yesterday  Wink
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Thu Sep 18, 2008 5:20 pm

The A340-200 is used as a troop transport i believe.
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Thu Sep 18, 2008 5:37 pm



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 10):
Indeed. I did not know she had so little hours of flight.

Oh that was strictly guesswork. Nobody probably knows, but its flight habits are fairly well understood. If it's 20 years old now, it probably flies 2-3 hours per day... 1,000 hrs per year... maybe more like 18,000 hours each. At any rate, they do not maintain airline-like rates, like UA or NW's 744s which fly 10 to 13 hours a day, making them 3 to 4 times more fatigued. Not to mention the "rougher" treatment of airline use.

So these VIP jets (under 24/7 security and strictly clean) have a virtually unlimited mechanical lifespan. Instead I believe the thing that wears out is the style and technology of the interior, which needs updates from time to time.
 
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Thu Sep 18, 2008 5:45 pm



Quoting 413X3 (Reply 5):
I think Reagan at the end of his term was the first President to fly on it

George HW Bush "took the delievery" so to speak during the middle of his term.
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Thu Sep 18, 2008 5:46 pm



Quoting GrahamHill (Thread starter):
This would be the next French presidential plane

This due respect, this should be in the military forum were I started earlier a similar thread.
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/military/read.main/96794/
 
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Thu Sep 18, 2008 5:52 pm



Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 3):
But still not as Mr. George W. Bush air force 1

Just want to point out the plane belongs to and says United States of America on the side.

It does not belong to any one president anymore than the French aircraft will belong to Nicholas Sarkozy.

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RE: French Presidency Will Get Its "Air Force One"

Thu Sep 18, 2008 5:59 pm



Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 3):
But still not as Mr. George W. Bush air force 1

Huh?

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 4):
No, but I think he should change his plane as well. How old is Air Force One?

As others have stated, and it doesn't have the same fuel burn as normal passenger 747-200's, it has the same engines as the 744 on it IIRC. Also the plane has special capabilities, such as inflight refueling and so forth.
 
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RE: French Presidency Will Get Its "Air Force One"

Thu Sep 18, 2008 6:05 pm



Quoting Irobertson (Reply 8):
What do the French Air Force do with their A340-200?



Quoting HSVflier (Reply 11):
The A340-200 is used as a troop transport i believe.

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They are actually 2 A342 : F-RAJA, F-RAJB. 2 ex Austrian Airlines birds (OE-LAG / AH )
 
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RE: French Presidency Will Get Its "Air Force One"

Thu Sep 18, 2008 6:52 pm

2 Falcon 7Xs have also been ordered to replace Falcon 900s , and some Falcon 2000s will arrive to replace the Falcon 50s.
The A319s will be sold.
 
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RE: French Presidency Will Get Its "Air Force One"

Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:12 pm

Why didn't the ministry just buy the planes new?? they have spent on other items it seems like they may have had the funding to do so. now the French gov't must pay to have the airframe fitted to their specs instead of just getting it from the beginning
 
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RE: French Presidency Will Get Its "Air Force One"

Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:15 pm

sorry, im asking about the 330's, sorry about that
 
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RE: French Presidency Will Get Its "Air Force One"

Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:16 pm

Of course our own PM Brown in all his wisdom, dumped 'BlairForceOne' as it was frivilous...

Then it bites him on the ass...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3761092.ece

article from April...  Smile
 
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RE: French Presidency Will Get Its "Air Force One"

Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:46 pm



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 4):
No, but I think he should change his plane as well.

He will change it to smaller aircraft like Gulfstreams, Learjets etc....next January.
President Obama or President McCain will continue to fly the VC 25A for at least 4 years.

Quoting Irobertson (Reply 8):
What do the French Air Force do with their A340-200?

It is a troop transport aircraft airline configuration no VIP aircraft.
What will happen with the A319ACJ which is currently the VIP aircraft will it be kept or sold ?
It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
 
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RE: French Presidency Will Get Its "Air Force One"

Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:54 pm

Hey, there was no fair competition to determine who should supply the frames.

Boeing should have had a fair shot at this  devil 

(And before I get  flamed  by the humor challenged, this is all tongue in cheek and is intended as a joke!)

Congratulations to France. Will these aircraft be civil registered, or operated strictly as military aircraft?
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RE: French Presidency Will Get Its "Air Force One"

Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:02 pm



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 4):
No, but I think he should change his plane as well. How old is Air Force One?

HUH?? Are you serious??? I really hope not.
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RE: French Presidency Will Get Its "Air Force One"

Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:00 pm



Quoting Breiz (Reply 14):

Sorry! I did not think about checking in the military forum.

Quoting Ovrpowrd727 (Reply 19):
Why didn't the ministry just buy the planes new??

One of the reason is that they would get the plane faster.

Quoting Columba (Reply 22):
What will happen with the A319ACJ which is currently the VIP aircraft will it be kept or sold ?

The article said they will sell the old planes.

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 23):
Will these aircraft be civil registered, or operated strictly as military aircraft?

Since they are the property of the Ministry of Defense, I would think they'd be operated as military. But this needs to be confirmed.

Quoting Lexy (Reply 24):
HUH?? Are you serious??? I really hope not.

Why not? How about a nice A380 for your President?  duck  (only joking)

I thought Air Force One was much older than it actually is. That's why I was innocently saying that.
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Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:53 pm



Quoting GrahamHill (Thread starter):
Sabena did not say much on what will be implemented on the plane, but we can guess that it will be equipped with secured means of communication, a bedroom, a bathroom

Any red blooded man accompanied by Madame Sarkozy would be emphasing the need for the bedroom  hot   kiss   yummy 
 
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RE: French Presidency Will Get Its "Air Force One"

Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:10 pm



Quoting Lexy (Reply 24):
HUH?? Are you serious??? I really hope not.

The VC-135s (SAM 2700) was about 18 years old when the VC-25s took over in 1990. Wouldn't you know it, the VC-25s turn 18 years old this year. SAM 2700 served in a secondary role for another decade before finally retiring in 2001. I would expect a replacement for the current VC-25s to be ordered sometime towards the end of the next administration.

The USAF has stated that they are studying options to replace or extend the life of the current VC-25s although they have no formal RFP pending at this time.
 
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Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:22 pm



Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 27):
The USAF has stated that they are studying options to replace or extend the life of the current VC-25s although they have no formal RFP pending at this time.

Practically speaking I can't figure out any reason why a new 747 would be any better than the "new 747" already being flown. They already have 747s in perfect condition, so what does a 748 frame get you... some newer Aluminum and a little more floor space...

Currently, the E-4B aircraft are getting $500m interior and mechanical refits (per jet, $2B total). As of December 2007, Boeing announced they had completed 1 of 4 refurbishments. My sense is we have to assume the E4-B is now incredibly modern inside. It doesn't cost $500m to D-check a 747 so they must have done a great deal of work in there.

So maybe the same is in store for the VC-25. After a refurbishment, the VC-25 could be pretty much a new aircraft. The bones should still be good.
 
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RE: French Presidency Will Get Its "Air Force One"

Sun Sep 21, 2008 6:35 pm

It's call sign will be "Surrender 1".
 
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RE: French Presidency Will Get Its "Air Force One"

Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:25 am

The VC-25A's are THE best maintained aircraft in the world. After every trip they are inspected head to toe and anything showing even the slightest wear is replaced. IMHO they have at least another decade and maybe more before they need replacing.

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