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Another Crash For Canada’s Snowbirds.

Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:38 pm

Another Tutor CT-114 belonging to Canada’s aerobatic team, the Snowbirds, has crashed just outside of their base in Saskatchewan. Two members of the CAF lost their lives in this unfortunate incident, may they RIP. Piloting the aircraft was a member of the Snowbirds technical team who was a pilot-in-training, accompanying him was a photographer for the CAF.


Too many Canadian pilots have lost their lives flying for the snowbirds. Their archaic aircraft's need to be replaced or the squadron disbanded.


How does the Snowbirds safety record compare to other air force aerobatic teams?



http://www.cbc.ca/canada/saskatchewa...ory/2008/10/09/crash-military.html


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RE: Another Crash For Canada’s Snowbirds.

Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:02 pm

Just a terrible shame. I always love the Snowbirds when they come here to Comox for two or three weeks every spring.

A witness said he saw smoke coming from the plane and the formation immediately broke. The plane with towards the ground at a shallow angle.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl....20081010.CRASH10/TPStory/National

The team will continue to fly.

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RE: Another Crash For Canada’s Snowbirds.

Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:24 pm

My condolences to 15 Wing Moose Jaw. It is always sad to loose a CF Family member. Best wishes for the families who are going through such a hard time.

*To your fallen comrades SALUTE*

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RE: Another Crash For Canada’s Snowbirds.

Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:32 pm

These things seriously need to be retired.
They have been nothing but problems in the past few years.

RIP to those involved.
 
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RE: Another Crash For Canada’s Snowbirds.

Sat Oct 11, 2008 3:47 am

Pretty sure I heard on the radio, the actual team wasn't even in the area at the time. Sadly, if any more incidents like this happen, the team will be disbanded.
 
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RE: Another Crash For Canada’s Snowbirds.

Sat Oct 11, 2008 5:10 am

First and foremost-  tombstone   pray  to / for the crew and their Families.
Everytime I've seen the 'Birds I know I've enjoyed their show. That many aircraft in formation at slower speeds is always way more impressive then just a few flying faster anyday!!! (and twice on Sunday)

Next, I just have to wonder~ is the aircraft really the cause in all of their recent mishaps?

"Old" aircraft do not always cause accidents.
Sometimes it's the weather, and sometimes it's not.
Sometimes a pilot is to blame, and sometimes it's not.
Sometimes a mechanic caused it, and sometimes not.
Sometimes it has nothing to do with any of the above...
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RE: Another Crash For Canada’s Snowbirds.

Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:49 pm



Quoting YWG747 (Reply 3):
These things seriously need to be retired.
They have been nothing but problems in the past few years.

Yes, the CT-114s are long in the tooth, but if you retire them,
with what do you replace them ? If you're going to maintain
an air demonstration team, that is.

Tucanos would probably suffice, but acquiring 8-10 more for
air demo is probably going to run $100M or more. At a time
when the bill for the Afghan conflict has just been made public,
and some very expensive contracts have been let for new lift,
and not to mention the projected cost of the new Arctic vessels
plus the fleet supply ships, and moreover the up-sizing of the
CF to 100K overall headcount, I think it might be a difficult sell
to fund a new air demo team.

That said, the Snowbirds are tremendous ambassadors for Canada.
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RE: Another Crash For Canada’s Snowbirds.

Sat Oct 11, 2008 7:40 pm

Decisions such as this (whether to stop flying a certain type of aircraft) need to be made unemotionally. The fact is, the report on the last crash which killed a Snowbirds pilot implicated the seat belt...i.e. the pilot went inverted and the seatbelt wasn't properly secured causing a loss of control and subsequent crash. That is not a failure of the aircraft. How about we all wait and see what actually caused this crash. Retiring the CT-114's may not be necessary. Those aircraft allow the Snowbirds to fly a particularly impressive show.
 
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RE: Another Crash For Canada’s Snowbirds.

Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:06 am

Sad to hear. I remember being really impressed when I saw the at YWG in 2004.
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RE: Another Crash For Canada’s Snowbirds.

Sun Oct 12, 2008 5:54 am

Very sad news. I was sorta surprised to see the Snowbirds perform in San Francisco today for Fleet Week. I guess they didn't even go up for practice yesterday and I was afraid they wouldn't be flying at all this weekend.
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RE: Another Crash For Canada’s Snowbirds.

Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:07 am



Quoting KrisYYZ (Thread starter):
Too many Canadian pilots have lost their lives flying for the snowbirds. Their archaic aircraft's need to be replaced or the squadron disbanded.


How does the Snowbirds safety record compare to other air force aerobatic teams?

I would suspect most aerobatic team accidents are pilot error, on account of the very challenging environment. ...I also am inclined to think that most team members of national aerobatic teams no matter of which country are probably prepared to pay the highest price for the enormous privilege of representing their country. And in that same context remember that they are military pilots who have theoretically volunteered to fly in combat which is bound to be even more life threatening.

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