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How NOT To Emergency Land A Harrier!

Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:04 pm

Tried a search, but couldn't find anything, so my apoligies if this has been posted before.

http://www.planemadness.com/2008/08/20/harrier-emergency-landing/

And this tidbit was posted on another forum (non-public access I'm afraid):
"Basically, the nose gear wouldn't come done. The Harrier has a backup system with a nitrogen bottle to blow the gear down in this event. Well, someone significantly outranking the pilot ordered him not to blow the gear down (which is the specified emergency procedure) b/c by his reasoning, if the nose gear didn't come down, he was afraid the jet would break its back by having all that weight on the long nose of the T-bird. With that, he elected to gather mattresses and strap them down to support the extended nose, and you have the obvious result.

"Normally" a Harrier that can't get it's gear to come down will suck up the gear and do a vertical landing on the strakes/gun pack, they'll jack the bird up, fix the gear, and it's back to flying rather quickly. In this case, the motor was hilariously trashed with mattress springs protruding out and everything."
 
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RE: How NOT To Emergency Land A Harrier!

Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:07 pm

One of those 'seemed like a good idea at the time' moments Big grin
 
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RE: How NOT To Emergency Land A Harrier!

Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:53 pm

I wonder if he still outranks the pilot.  Smile
 
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RE: How NOT To Emergency Land A Harrier!

Tue Oct 14, 2008 7:33 pm

Wow...quite a video.

Don't let the use of the published EP's override good common sense  Wink

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RE: How NOT To Emergency Land A Harrier!

Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:27 pm



Quoting CPH-R (Thread starter):
someone significantly outranking the pilot ordered him not to blow the gear down

"Say again, you're coming in broken & stupid, over..."  Silly
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RE: How NOT To Emergency Land A Harrier!

Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:28 am

I've long felt an IQ test of some sort was appropriate for folks promoted to O-6 and above.
 
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RE: How NOT To Emergency Land A Harrier!

Thu Oct 16, 2008 5:21 am

haha i thought the mattress idea was pretty smart!
 
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RE: How NOT To Emergency Land A Harrier!

Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:47 am



Quoting DL767captain (Reply 6):
haha i thought the mattress idea was pretty smart!

lol, right?

We do it with helicopters, and it works well enough. But in those cases, there isn't the massive amount of jet wash thrashing the mattresses!

I've posted this video in a previous thread, but it seems fitting to this subject:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6LAEw7dEcxg

(Sorry, I would embed the video, but apparently we're no longer allowed to do so.  Yeah sure Thanks DM)

Anyway don't ask me what the guy at the 2:02 minute mark, is doing.... because I have no freakin' idea!

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RE: How NOT To Emergency Land A Harrier!

Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:58 am

Best not put DL767Captain in charge of Harrier Ops.
 
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RE: How NOT To Emergency Land A Harrier!

Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:19 pm



Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 7):
But in those cases, there isn't the massive amount of jet wash thrashing the mattresses!

That's just a slight issue  Yeah sure
 
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RE: How NOT To Emergency Land A Harrier!

Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:51 pm

Well the other thing that could have happened from this idiotic idea is that the mattresses could have easily caught fire from the very hot exhausts and set the whole aircraft on fire in a big inferno!!
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RE: How NOT To Emergency Land A Harrier!

Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:38 pm

That happened at cherry point, NC a couple years ago, unless it's happened again. Thats what makes the presences of the "lawn darts" interesting you never know whats gonna go wrong next you just sort of know something is coming.
I wonder if this happened at the end of a training flight?
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RE: How NOT To Emergency Land A Harrier!

Sun Nov 23, 2008 3:41 am



Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 3):
Wow...quite a video.

Where's the vid?
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RE: How NOT To Emergency Land A Harrier!

Sun Nov 30, 2008 8:29 am



Quoting CPH-R (Thread starter):
Well, someone significantly outranking the pilot ordered him not to blow the gear down

That is a good CRM issue - last time I went flying the A/C had the final say, regardless of the rank on board or on the ground...
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