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B E3 Sentry Awacs With Sidewinders?

Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:48 pm

In a book ( old book from 1991 ) I have with info of various airplanes, it is noted that one type of E 3 Sentry

" has the capability to carrie small underwing pylons, wich could carry AIM-9 Sidewinder AAM's for a modest self defence facility "

I beleave it was the E-3C version


Anyone know if this has actually been tried out and tried out actively or was it just talk that never became reality ?




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Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:48 pm

From Scramble

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E-3B

Designation for 24 modified Core E-3A's. Also known as Block 20 a/c. New features are full maritime capabilities, Joint Tactical Information Distribution System (JTIDS), Have Quick secure-voice radio's, more powerfull IBM CC-2 computer, five additional Situation Control Displays (for up to 17 mission controllers) and self-defence equipment (chaff/flare dispensers and Sidewinder launch rails).

From the same source, the E-3C are 10 new build aircraft built to the E-3B standard.
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RE: B E3 Sentry Awacs With Sidewinders?

Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:50 pm

Wouldn't be very hard. Would just need a pylon, wiring and switches to arm/uncage the missile, and a trigger.

But not very practical on a plane that size, if someone gets close enough to use those you are in VERY big trouble.
 
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RE: B E3 Sentry Awacs With Sidewinders?

Sat Nov 01, 2008 12:54 am

So there has never actually been an Awacs Sentry that had this added ? It was just apossibility that was'nt put into effect ?
 
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RE: B E3 Sentry Awacs With Sidewinders?

Sat Nov 01, 2008 1:01 am

BladeLWS,

I'd have to agree -- if a plane gets close enough that you need sidewinders you're doomed.

If it carried Phoenix's, that AAAM missile, or that Russian AWACS killer that would be some good defense.
 
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Sat Nov 01, 2008 1:07 am

I don't know about awacs, but a similar aircraft, the Nimrod MR.2 had Sidewinders equipped for the Falklands Conflict, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Siddeley_Nimrod#MR2

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RE: B E3 Sentry Awacs With Sidewinders?

Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:13 am

I don't ever recall the E-3C being qualified to carry, or use sidewinders. Let's face it, it is an AWACS, and should know a threat is coming long before the threat gets within firing range. If that threat is within sidewinder range, 5nm or less, the flying frisby is toast, anyway. AWACS, Tankers, RC-135s, and other high value assets will always have a CAP available to them for defense, so they don't need sidewinders. They do need chaf, flairs, ECM, and other defenses, but not air to air missiles.

If an AWACS has found itself under a threat, and CAP is to far away, they can outrun the threat if they begin their turn away from the threat outside of 30nm to 40nm. Maximum airspeed, max desent rate, and in excess of a 45 degree bank turn will be required. But, if done right, he can get away.
 
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Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:51 am

The possibilty exists, for old 707 hands it would have been mounted at the hardpoint where you would hang a engine just for a ferry flight inboard of the inboard engine. There is wiring and a cannon plugs plus other connections I have never seen used under the panels at the leading edge. I speculate the only plane to have flown with it is the Boeing TS3 E-3 73-1674 kept at Paine Field
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Sun Nov 02, 2008 9:46 am

Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 7):
The possibilty exists, for old 707 hands it would have been mounted at the hardpoint where you would hang a engine just for a ferry flight inboard of the inboard engine. There is wiring and a cannon plugs plus other connections I have never seen used under the panels at the leading edge. I speculate the only plane to have flown with it is the Boeing TS3 E-3 73-1674 kept at Paine Field

Actually, the KC/RC-135 wing (the same wing on the B-707-120 and B-720 series) also had hard points, inboard of the inboard engines. The Rivit Amber RC-135E, 62-4137 had a heat exchanger under one wing, and an auxiliary generator (Lycoming T55-L5 turbine) under the other wing, during her carrier. Tragicly, on 5 June 1969, the only RC-135E Rivet Amber (aka Lisa Ann) aircraft ever built, TCS Irene-92, was lost over the Bering Sea, while returning to Eilson AFB, AK from Shemya AFB, Shemya Island, Alutions, AK, with a crew of 19.

No survivors or wreckage was ever found. The last HF radio communications from Irene-92 was at 1739Z.

- 5 June 1969 - On the morning of 5 June 1969 Rivet Amber (Call Sign - Irene 92) departed Shemya for a direct flight (Non Operational) to Eielson AFB with 19 souls onboard. About 45 minutes after departing Shemya, Irene 92 transmitted the following message to Elmendorf AFB at 9:36 AM Local / 1736z on HF (High Frequency):

(1736z)
~ "Elmendorf Airways, Elmendorf Airways, Irene 92, Irene 92, over."

~ "Irene 92, Elmendorf, Go Ahead."

~ "Elmendorf Airways, Irene 92 experiencing vibration In flight. Not certain of the Emergency. We have the aircraft under control, Irene 92."

(1737z)
~ "This is Elmendorf. You say you're not declaring an Emergency. Is that Charlie ?"

~ ( Keying-Xmtr ) ......
( Very Heavy / Hard Breathing )

~ "Roger...Ahh..." ( Keying-Xmtr ) ... "Ahh..." ( Keying-Xmtr .... silence ) ....

~ "Crew Go To Oxygen".

~ "This is Elmendorf. Say again ? Irene 92, Elmendorf ?"

~ ( Keying-Xmtr ) ... ( Keying-Xmtr )

~ "Irene 92, Elmendorf ?"

(1738z)
~ ( Keying-Xmtr )

(1739z)
~ "Irene 92, Irene 92, Elmendorf, Elmendorf"

~ ( Keying-Xmtr )

~ ( Keying-Xmtr )

~ ( Keying-Xmtr )

The last positive contact with Irene 92 was at 1737z. Unidentified key clicks (Keying-Xmtr) continued until 1822z.





It is suspected that tail section or empennage of 62-4137 broke off inflight. The RC-135E was scheduled to have her fin replaced with the newer taller fin and rudder, the Pacer Fin program which included beefer attachments points, inspections, TCTO-772 and TCTO-775, which also included the C-135 series "belly bands" in September 1970.

In the late 1960s and early 1970s, the B-707-100 and B-717-100 series (all C-135s) airplanes developed structural stress in the tail. Prior to the loss of Rivet Amber, the USAF lost a KC-135A, and BOAC (the Mt. Fuji accident) and Braniff lost B-707-120Bs to tail structural failures inflight.

Pictures of Lisa Ann;

http://aeroweb.brooklyn.cuny.edu/dat...ase/aircraft/getimage.htm?id=12396

http://community-2.webtv.net/@HH!B2!...n/RivetBallAmberShemya/page10.html

[Edited 2008-11-02 01:49:49]
 
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RE: B E3 Sentry Awacs With Sidewinders?

Sun Nov 02, 2008 9:29 pm

That is a though... why not slap a huge bay full of sparrows or something even longer range in a E-3 and take out a zillion enemy fighters from hundreds of miles off...? That would certainly counter China's 10-1 ratio for the F-22!
 
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Sun Nov 02, 2008 11:20 pm



Quoting Oroka (Reply 9):



That is a though... why not slap a huge bay full of sparrows or something even longer range in a E-3 and take out a zillion enemy fighters from hundreds of miles off...? That would certainly counter China's 10-1 ratio for the F-22!

This is what the F-14 program was supposed to be, a big slow missile truck. The idea of a turboprop "fighter" didn't sit well with the pointy nose crowd, so instead we got a pilot killer
 
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Mon Nov 03, 2008 1:37 am

Oroka,

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That is a though... why not slap a huge bay full of sparrows or something even longer range in a E-3 and take out a zillion enemy fighters from hundreds of miles off...? That would certainly counter China's 10-1 ratio for the F-22!

The Chinese have a 10-1 kill ratio against he F-22? How the hell did they achieve that feat?


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This is what the F-14 program was supposed to be, a big slow missile truck. The idea of a turboprop "fighter" didn't sit well with the pointy nose crowd, so instead we got a pilot killer

Last I checked, the F-14 while able to cruise at low speeds with long endurance, the plane did have the ability to dash up to high speeds, from which I was told was in excess of the RA-5 Vigilante (Which was one of the fastest USN planes prior to the F-14) even with the TF-30's. I would suppose it was a bit faster had it been fitted with the F-401 (and probably with the F-110 it was finally fitted with).

Early on it's maneuverability problems were largely due to the TF-30's engine problems (poor surge/stall resistance) and it's lower T/W ratio over the proposed F-401 (and the F-110 that actually replaced the TF-30's), even then, the F-14 wasn't exactly un-maneuverable... at low airspeeds, it had a remarkable cornering-rate, and at altitudes exceeding 21,000 feet - 22,000 feet it could outmaneuver an F-4E (where the F-4E could outmaneuver the F-14 at lower altitudes/higher airspeeds due to it's heavier wing-loading).


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Mon Nov 03, 2008 2:06 am



Quoting Blackbird (Reply 11):
The Chinese have a 10-1 kill ratio against he F-22? How the hell did they achieve that feat?

You added 'kill' to that statement, not me. The Chinese plan on having 10 modern fighters for every 1 F-22... 10-1 ratio.

That is why a E-3 with say 10 AIM-54s riding with a flight of F-22s would be a good idea IMO. The huge radar on the E-3 could target incoming fighters, fire off its missiles, assume AWACS duty from behind while the F-22s go and mop up the remainder. The F-22s would act as escort for the E-3 en route in case of ambush.

In a real modern air war, if you don't wipe out the enemy's premier fighters right off the bat, in bulk, they will be a lot harder to take out later. They will assume hit and run tactics, hiding in the weeds, popping up to fire off a missile, then gone again.
 
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Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:26 am



Quoting Blackbird (Reply 11):
Last I checked, the F-14 while able to cruise at low speeds with long endurance, the plane did have the ability to dash up to high speeds, from which I was told was in excess of the RA-5 Vigilante (Which was one of the fastest USN planes prior to the F-14) even with the TF-30's. I would suppose it was a bit faster had it been fitted with the F-401 (and probably with the F-110 it was finally fitted with).

Early on it's maneuverability problems were largely due to the TF-30's engine problems (poor surge/stall resistance) and it's lower T/W ratio over the proposed F-401 (and the F-110 that actually replaced the TF-30's), even then, the F-14 wasn't exactly un-maneuverable... at low airspeeds, it had a remarkable cornering-rate, and at altitudes exceeding 21,000 feet - 22,000 feet it could outmaneuver an F-4E (where the F-4E could outmaneuver the F-14 at lower altitudes/higher airspeeds due to it's heavier wing-loading).

No the origonal idea for the "F-14" aka the platform for the Phoenix missile to be launched from was a large turboprop airplane with awacs level of radar and a large payload of phoenix missiles. This idea when no where with the pointy nose crowd and so we got that steaming plile of expensive pilot killing crap. I'd have more respect for it if it wasn't so overly complex, and overly expensive to deliver a missile that didn't NEED a fast expensive complex platform to deploy it. After all its like using a Ferrari F50 to deliver newspapers, only in this case the newspapers can deliver themselves in a 50+ mile radius
 
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Mon Nov 03, 2008 2:35 pm



Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
" has the capability to carrie small underwing pylons, wich could carry AIM-9 Sidewinder AAM's for a modest self defence facility



Quoting TIMC (Reply 5):
Nimrod MR.2 had Sidewinders equipped for the Falklands Conflict

Sidewinders on a E3 or Nimrod would make almost no sense. Sidewinders are short range "heat seeking" missles. How do you manuvure the E3 or Nimrod in behind the attacking aircraft to get a good shot?
 
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Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:18 pm



Quoting 474218 (Reply 14):
How do you manuvure the E3 or Nimrod in behind the attacking aircraft to get a good shot?

New Sidewinders are all aspect, I believe...
 
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Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:37 pm

[quote=474218,reply=14]Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
" has the capability to carrie small underwing pylons, wich could carry AIM-9 Sidewinder AAM's for a modest self defence facility



Quoting TIMC (Reply 5):
Nimrod MR.2 had Sidewinders equipped for the Falklands Conflict

Sidewinders on a E3 or Nimrod would make almost no sense. Sidewinders are short range "heat seeking" missles. How do you manuvure the E3 or Nimrod in behind the attacking aircraft to get a good shot?


What about Aim120 or Aim9x, it would almost look like a buff loaded down with Alcms or harpoons
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Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:42 pm



Quoting 474218 (Reply 14):
Sidewinders on a E3 or Nimrod would make almost no sense. Sidewinders are short range "heat seeking" missles. How do you manuvure the E3 or Nimrod in behind the attacking aircraft to get a good shot?

The reason that RAF Nimrods deployed from Ascention Island to support the UK operation, were wired for AIM-9L's, was not to defend or engage enemy fighters, (which would not likely be in a position to intercept).
Rather, it was based on the use of the Argentine AF's B707's to shadow the British Task Force, intially themselves shadowed by Sea Harriers.

Once hostilities commenced, the 707's were treated as a threat since they could provide targeting info, one was driven off by Sea Dart SAM's from RN Destroyers.
But someone clearly thought what if one of our Nimrods patrolling the oceans ran into a 707 doing the same for the other side?

But they never met.
 
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Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:27 pm



Quoting GDB (Reply 17):
But someone clearly thought what if one of our Nimrods patrolling the oceans ran into a 707 doing the same for the other side?

But they never met.

That would have been an interesting engagement.
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Tue Nov 04, 2008 12:39 am



Quoting LMP737 (Reply 18):
That would have been an interesting engagement.

Possibly not, I'm not sure that the sidewinders would have locked on, double so if the other 707 idles the engines and "glides" home
 
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Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:35 pm



Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 19):
Possibly not, I'm not sure that the sidewinders would have locked on, double so if the other 707 idles the engines and "glides" home

The AIM-9L used by the British in the Falklands War was an all aspect air-to-air missile. Yanking back the throttles to idle and gliding would not have accomplished much other than dying at a lower rate of speed.
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Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:27 pm



Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 13):
No the origonal idea for the "F-14" aka the platform for the Phoenix missile to be launched from was a large turboprop airplane with awacs level of radar and a large payload of phoenix missiles. This idea when no where with the pointy nose crowd and so we got that steaming plile of expensive pilot killing crap. I'd have more respect for it if it wasn't so overly complex, and overly expensive to deliver a missile that didn't NEED a fast expensive complex platform to deploy it. After all its like using a Ferrari F50 to deliver newspapers, only in this case the newspapers can deliver themselves in a 50+ mile radius

A AIM-54 carrying turboprop, that's a new one on me. Where did you get your information?

Now I know of the F6D Missileer which the AIM-54/F-14 can trace its heritage to. That was supposed to be a subsonic platform for the Eagle AAM. Fortunately that project was cancelled due to the technical risks and the relative inability to defend itself once it launched its missiles. One also has to wonder how effective it would have been against aircraft like the Blackjack. It should also be obvious that such an aircraft would not have been as useful as the F-14. You could forget about an F6D performing a TARPS mission or going against other fighters. Once the F-4 was retired a CAG with such an aircraft would be totally sub-sonic.

As for an AIM-54 carrying turboprop I can think of nothing more preposterous. If a F6D Missileer would have problems with a strike package of Blackjacks or some other high speed intruder how do you think a turboprop would fare?
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Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:04 pm

XT6Wagon,

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No the origonal idea for the "F-14" aka the platform for the Phoenix missile to be launched from was a large turboprop airplane with awacs level of radar and a large payload of phoenix missiles. This idea when no where with the pointy nose crowd and so we got that steaming plile of expensive pilot killing crap. I'd have more respect for it if it wasn't so overly complex, and overly expensive to deliver a missile that didn't NEED a fast expensive complex platform to deploy it. After all its like using a Ferrari F50 to deliver newspapers, only in this case the newspapers can deliver themselves in a 50+ mile radius



To the best of my knowledge the only thing that comes even close to fitting that bill was the F6D Missileer which was basically an F3D/F-10 Skyknight on steroids. It was subsonic, but it was not turboprop powered -- it was turbofan powered (It was originally the plane the TF-30 was designed for).


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Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:07 am



Quoting LMP737 (Reply 18):
Quoting GDB (Reply 17):
But someone clearly thought what if one of our Nimrods patrolling the oceans ran into a 707 doing the same for the other side?

But they never met.

That would have been an interesting engagement.



Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 19):
Possibly not, I'm not sure that the sidewinders would have locked on, double so if the other 707 idles the engines and "glides" home

That would really be interesting, seeing the B-707 is a lot faster than the Nimrod. As most heavy drivers in most Air Forces know, it is not difficult to defeat a heat seeker, if you know its coming your way, and you are equipped to defend against it. Simple flares are the easiest way, or extend beyond it's range is another, a third possibility is a max airspeed decend, or even a "split S" manuver. Just be sure you have enough airspace to do it. Radar missiles are also easy to defeat, if you know they are coming. Just rapidly turn perpendicular to the missile course and it will "lose lock".
 
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Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:51 pm

Maybe, but the Argentine 707's were unmodified airliners, no self defence gear and would not be expecting to run into a Nimrod.
And the Mirage III's/Daggers were faster than the Sea Harriers too!

Another chance could have been once the Argentines, after June 1st, started using C-130's to go after the long British supply lines of mostly merchant ships, rolling bombs out of the ramp!
One hit a tanker, but glanced off it (I suspect the method of delivery made it a dud).
But they did get too near the Task Force, so a C-130 got shot down by a Sea Harrier, after which these attempts stopped.
But prior to that, attacks further North could potentially have run into an angry Nimrod!

[Edited 2008-11-06 10:52:07]
 
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Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:49 pm



Quoting GDB (Reply 24):
Maybe, but the Argentine 707's were unmodified airliners, no self defence gear and would not be expecting to run into a Nimrod.
And the Mirage III's/Daggers were faster than the Sea Harriers too!
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Add to that the fact that the AIM-9L was an all aspect missile with resistance to countermeasures. Of course like you said they were unmodified 707 with no countermeasures to speak of. The AIM-9L had no problem with targets much more maneuverable and faster than a 707.
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Fri Nov 07, 2008 7:21 pm

Ok guys,
I can't say what exactly what we DO have on my jet, but I can say that the notion of us flying with missiles on our wings is ludicrous.
 
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Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:10 pm



Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 26):
Ok guys,
I can't say what exactly what we DO have on my jet, but I can say that the notion of us flying with missiles on our wings is ludicrous.

Next time your around Bldg 230 and they have a ISO going on ask one of the mechanics what the wiring to no where around the inbd wing hardpoint is for plus all those small 4 screw panels on the bottom of the wing. They are a reqd checklist item to be inspected every ISO.
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Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:42 pm

I do know what they're for...can't tell you, but it's NOT for missile wiring.
 
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Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:01 pm

I don't think this is a total thread hijack.....

It seems I remember some notion that a P-3 might have shot down a Chinese Mig back in the day. It was supposedly a Taiwanese airplane doing recon over the mainland. Does this ring a bell with anybody else?

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Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:44 am



Quoting SLCPilot (Reply 29):
It seems I remember some notion that a P-3 might have shot down a Chinese Mig back in the day. It was supposedly a Taiwanese airplane doing recon over the mainland. Does this ring a bell with anybody else?

Yes, I heard this rumor many moons ago, in my prior life in SAC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-3_Orion

Vietnam
Operation Market Time
Beginning in 1964, forward deployed P-3s began flying a variety of missions under Operation Market Time from bases in the Philippines and Vietnam. The primary focus of these coastal patrols was to stem the supply of materials to the Viet Cong by sea, although several of these missions also became overland "feet dry" sorties. During one such mission, a small caliber artillery shell passed through a P-3 without rendering it mission incapable. During another overland mission, it is rumored, but not confirmed, that a P-3 shot down a North Vietnamese MiG with Zuni missiles. The only confirmed combat loss of a P-3 also occurred during Operation Market Time. In April 1968, a U.S. Navy P-3B of Patrol Squadron TWENTY-SIX (VP-26) was downed by anti-aircraft artillery (AAA) fire in the Gulf of Thailand with the loss of the entire crew. Two months earlier, in February 1968, another of VP-26's P-3Bs was operating in the same vicinity when it crashed with the loss of the entire crew. Originally attributed to be an aircraft mishap at low altitude, later conjecture is that this aircraft may have also fallen victim to AAA fire from the same source as the subsequent aircraft loss in April.[3]

Also:
There have also been unconfirmed claims of the CIA operating three P-3As, alternatingly described as having been painted all black or in the markings of the Taiwanese Air Force (RoCAF), for aerial surveillance and agent/leaflet delivery in the vicinity of the People's Republic of China.

http://www.airwarriors.com/forum/printthread.php?t=9670
About half way down the page:

Flash 01-29-2005 10:03 AM

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My old squadron had 2 EP-3's back in the day that had an interesting previous life. All EP-3's are converted 'slick' P-3's, these two happened to be used by the agency located in Langley,VA (they were painted black when employed by them). These two aircraft were retired a few years before I got to the squadron but I heard a few stories from the older hands about them. One of them had its tail twisted and never flew quite right. Both of them had been given to the Navy with no maintenance records or any indication on how many hours they flew.

One of the rumors, which I later read about in The Age of Orion (an excellent book for P-3 fans), was that one of the P-3's had shot down a MiG over the PRC on one of its missions with a Sidewinder. Not a whole lot else than rumor to back that up at all.

As for unusual kills more recently, an EF-111 in the Gulf War got a 'rocks' kill by fliyng down to the deck with an Iraqi on his tail. The EF-111 made it but the Iraqi did not. The below is from Wikipedia, it is under the EF-111 section:

On 17 January 1991, a USAF EF-111 was credited with a kill against an Iraqi Dassault-Breguet Mirage F1, which it managed to maneuver into the ground, making it the first and only F-111 to achieve an aerial victory over another aircraft.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-111

My Skipper who flew EF-111's on exchange during the war said that he was not sure the USAF ever officially credited the crew with a kill. The F-15 guys were trying to say they were painting the Mirage with radar and tried to claim the kill for themselves. Can't keep the Eagle drivers from getting all the glory :icon_smil.
 
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Sat Nov 08, 2008 1:18 pm

I am sure from the Rivet Joint guys there are a bunch of storys like that floating around, during my time on them at EGUN I seen a many wobbled knee'ed pilot climb down the crew ladder with his flight suit soiled throughly from sweat and you know what.
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Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 31):
I am sure from the Rivet Joint guys there are a bunch of storys like that floating around

I thought RIVERT JOINT uses ECM and airspeed as their primary defenses.
 
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RE: B E3 Sentry Awacs With Sidewinders?

Mon Nov 10, 2008 3:23 pm

Ummm...dude, it is Rivet Joint!

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 32):
I thought RIVERT JOINT uses ECM and airspeed as their primary defenses.

 
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RE: B E3 Sentry Awacs With Sidewinders?

Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:58 pm



Quoting 474218 (Reply 14):
How do you manuvure the E3 ... in behind the attacking aircraft to get a good shot?



Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 26):
the notion of us flying with missiles on our wings is ludicrous.

Solve both issues by mounting the missiles along the rim of the rotodome!
"That's so stupid! If they're so secret, why are they out where everyone can see them?" - my kid
 
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RE: B E3 Sentry Awacs With Sidewinders?

Fri Nov 14, 2008 7:41 am



Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 33):
Ummm...dude, it is Rivet Joint!

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 32):
I thought RIVERT JOINT uses ECM and airspeed as their primary defenses.

Oops  banghead 

Quoting Vzlet (Reply 34):
Quoting 474218 (Reply 14):
How do you manuvure the E3 ... in behind the attacking aircraft to get a good shot?



Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 26):
the notion of us flying with missiles on our wings is ludicrous.

Solve both issues by mounting the missiles along the rim of the rotodome!

 bigthumbsup   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 
 
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RE: B E3 Sentry Awacs With Sidewinders?

Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:10 pm



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 35):
Solve both issues by mounting the missiles along the rim of the rotodome!

That would be ok, if it wasn't fiberglass.
Hell, while they're at it, make a tailgun...I'd rather be an AWACS tailgunner than an AWACS nav.
 
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RE: B E3 Sentry Awacs With Sidewinders?

Sat Nov 15, 2008 5:00 am



Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 36):
That would be ok, if it wasn't fiberglass.
Hell, while they're at it, make a tailgun...I'd rather be an AWACS tailgunner than an AWACS nav.

What do you call a guy who finished last in his UPT class?
E-3 copilot.
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RE: B E3 Sentry Awacs With Sidewinders?

Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:40 am

[quote=Venus6971,reply=37]What do you call a guy who finished last in his UPT class?/quote]
Pilot...
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RE: B E3 Sentry Awacs With Sidewinders?

Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:25 pm



Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 37):
What do you call a guy who finished last in his UPT class?
E-3 copilot.

The joke could be said about the last guy in Nav school as well...but it wasn't me and I WANTED this jet.

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