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alberchico
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What Is The Future Of The Mig Design Bureau

Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:59 am

It seems that the company is going downhill right now. They lost the 5th generation fighter contest to Sukhoi, they lost the jet trainer competition to the yak-130, they are not really inolved in any major civil aircraft projects, with Sukhoi in charge of the Russian regional jet, their MIG-35 has been flying around without any orders, still waiting for the results of the Indian fighter competition. I believe that Sukhoi will become the future of Russian aerospace while Mig is a dying enterprise like McDonnel Douglas was in the 90's.

Any thoughts ???

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RE: What Is The Future Of The Mig Design Bureau

Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:00 pm

Hire some of Sukhoi's Engineers maybe?

I'd hate to see MIG go down the tubes. They built some really great aircraft.

Maybe Obama will get a bail-out package going for them!
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RE: What Is The Future Of The Mig Design Bureau

Wed Nov 12, 2008 11:30 pm

"Hire some of Sukhoi's Engineers maybe?"

That would only further dilute MiG's design expertise.....

Sukhoi's inexorable rise has been based on Simonov's political savvy, not on any superiority in design or engineering expertise. As things changed in Russia, MiG under Belyakov and Waldenburg seemed old-style and Stalinist, while Simonov was more modern and more liberal.

Thus while the MiG-29K and MiG-29M withered, the Su-27IB, Su-27PU and Su-27M continued, just as MiG-29 upgrades were never funded as generously as Su-27 modification programmes.

And thanks to their contacts and influence, Sukhoi were allowed to pioneer the most innovative reforms, integrating the Design Bureau with its production plants, while MiG struggled on alone, deprived of Russian orders, and able to do little more than sell off modestly upgraded unsold white tails from Lukhovitskii.

And MiG had their own senior people replaced by people parachuted in from Sukhoi - people like Nikitin - leading many to assume that MiG was being softened up for a takeover. There have been a few moves away from that process, but not enough.

MiG were a great organisation, and despite the 'Stalinist' reputation, always seemed to have real old world charm that equalled their design genius. But personally, and with great regret, I don't think that MiG can survive. I look forward to being proved wrong.
 
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RE: What Is The Future Of The Mig Design Bureau

Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:15 pm



Quoting Jackonicko (Reply 2):

I had no idea!

Thanks for the heads-up Jack. thumbsup 

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RE: What Is The Future Of The Mig Design Bureau

Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:46 pm

Actually, MiG and Sukhoi (along with most of the Russian aerospacece industry) are being merged into OAK, a sort of Russian EADS. The future for MiG must be to find its niche inside OAK, specializing in the design of certain aircraft within the group. I really hope MiG's design expertise doesn't disappear with the creation of OAK... it would be a huge mistake.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...y-special-growing-a-great-oak.html
 
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RE: What Is The Future Of The Mig Design Bureau

Sun Nov 16, 2008 8:07 pm

I think "Mig" is a term recognized globally much more than "Sukhoi". Particularly whenever the words "russian" and "fighter" are mentioned people usually think about Mig first and not Sukhoi.
 
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RE: What Is The Future Of The Mig Design Bureau

Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:24 pm

You know why...People like saying "Mig" better.

It is sort of like how people prefered to say, "Salsa" instead of "Ketchup"
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RE: What Is The Future Of The Mig Design Bureau

Tue Nov 18, 2008 4:18 am

The Mig bureau did come up with, and actually flew, the Mig 1.44, which, until the PAK-FA flies, is still the most advanced and highest performance Russian fighter ever built. In fact, the PAK-FA will be nearly identical in configuration and performance- but more than a dozen years later.

That's got to count for something.

I also think a good new-production Mig-31 upgrade is in order: more powerful/fuel efficient engines, more composites, newer wing, higher g-loading, and top speed upgraded to mach 3.2-3.5 with mach 2 supercruise capability.  duck 

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