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Presidential Campaign Candidates Flying Policy

Tue Nov 18, 2008 2:59 pm

Not being an American, I am curious as to how all the campaign flying took place. From what I can gather the Presidential and Vice Pres. candidates of both parties campaigned in different places at the same time. This allowed them to gain maximum exposure to the public, hold twice as many rallies etc. I know that McCain and Obama had these to jet around in...


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What did Joe Biden do? Take the train everywhere?  Wink Seriously though, did he and Obama co-ordinate their flying so as to minimise cost and environmental impact?? (Which would be quite amazing and commendable) or am I just missing the details somewhere?

Furthermore, I would like to know what happens when Obama campaigns again in four years time. Does he use the 747's or do he and his vice revert back to smaller more economical and enviro friendly options? (Who picks up the tab?) I know that no-one can see into the future, but I am hoping that someone can tell me what’s happened in the past. (Bush Snr, Clinton, and Bush Jnr all campaigned for second terms.)

Lastly, what are the criteria for deciding when Marine 1 is used as opposed to the 747's? I understand that Marine 1 is used for shorter trips, but does anyone know what the cut-off point is?


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RE: Presidential Campaign Candidates Flying Policy

Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:48 pm

From a couple of stories I read, Biden used a Sun Country 737, but I haven't seen any photos of it.

As the sitting President running for re-election, Obama, as with his predecessors, will use the VC-25 or other aircraft of the presidential fleet for campaign travel. As I understand it, on trips that are strictly "political" or campaign-related, the campaign will reimburse the government at a specified rate (usually equal to typical airfare), however that line can get blurred when the trip involves a mix of official and campaign business.
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RE: Presidential Campaign Candidates Flying Policy

Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:57 am



Quoting Moose135 (Reply 1):
From a couple of stories I read, Biden used a Sun Country 737, but I haven't seen any photos of it.

A Sun Country 737 did come into DAB when Biden was speaking here, which would seem to corroborate that.

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RE: Presidential Campaign Candidates Flying Policy

Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:51 am

Thanks very much, Anyone have any word or info on the Marine 1 Question?
 
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Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:43 pm



Quoting Stickers (Reply 3):
Thanks very much, Anyone have any word or info on the Marine 1 Question?

There are more aircraft in the Presidential fleet than just the two 747s (USAF designation VC-25A) and the Marine 1 helicopter.

There is also a fleet of four modified 757-200 aircraft (C-32) at his disposal, as well as some 737 BBJs (I forget the designation offhand or how many there are).

When George W. Bush ran for reelection in 2004, I believe he primarily used the C-32A into smaller cities, saving VC-25A for larger cities or cross-country trips.
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RE: Presidential Campaign Candidates Flying Policy

Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:45 am



Quoting JBo (Reply 4):
as well as some 737 BBJs (I forget the designation offhand or how many there are).

- C40B and C40C (I believe) which are 737-700s.
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RE: Presidential Campaign Candidates Flying Policy

Mon Dec 08, 2008 2:44 pm



Quoting Stickers (Reply 3):
Thanks very much, Anyone have any word or info on the Marine 1 Question?

Marine 1 is used for local travel only, to and from the White House to Andrews AFB or Camp David, etc. On some international trips Marine 1 will be transported on a C-5 to provide a way to avoid travel on streets and roads.
 
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RE: Presidential Campaign Candidates Flying Policy

Mon Dec 08, 2008 6:24 pm



Quoting 474218 (Reply 6):
Marine 1 is used for local travel only, to and from the White House to Andrews AFB or Camp David, etc. On some international trips Marine 1 will be transported on a C-5 to provide a way to avoid travel on streets and roads.

Not just international trips. I've often seen AF1 arrive at JFK, then Marine 1 fly POTUS to Manhattan, avoiding at least some of the traffic nightmare that would be caused by a Presidential motorcade driving through the streets of New York!
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RE: Presidential Campaign Candidates Flying Policy

Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:10 pm



Quoting Moose135 (Reply 7):
Quoting 474218 (Reply 6):
Marine 1 is used for local travel only, to and from the White House to Andrews AFB or Camp David, etc. On some international trips Marine 1 will be transported on a C-5 to provide a way to avoid travel on streets and roads.

Not just international trips. I've often seen AF1 arrive at JFK, then Marine 1 fly POTUS to Manhattan, avoiding at least some of the traffic nightmare that would be caused by a Presidential motorcade driving through the streets of New York!

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Not just for international is right. I've seen Marine One here at DAB on different occassions.
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RE: Presidential Campaign Candidates Flying Policy

Tue Dec 09, 2008 7:38 am

OK, logistical type question. POTUS is flying from ADW to Texas. He gets on Marine One at The White House, flies to ADW, gets on a VC25 or C32, flies to Texas, lands at NFW, gets out of "Air Force One" and boards another "Marine One" and flies into town. Now, how does the C-5 that flies the Marine helicopter get the helicopter to NFW faster than a VC25 gets POTUS there? Or is there more that one helicopter that is assigned to the presidential detail?
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RE: Presidential Campaign Candidates Flying Policy

Tue Dec 09, 2008 3:55 pm

Yes, there are several helicopters (just like there are 2 VC-25s) in the fleet. One (or more) are transported prior to his arrival, and are flown out after he leaves.
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RE: Presidential Campaign Candidates Flying Policy

Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:45 pm



Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 8):
Not just for international is right. I've seen Marine One here at DAB on different occassions.

Neither Bush of Clinton have ever used Marine 1 in Atlanta. Always a motorcade right up Interstate 75/85 closing off the on/off ramps, backing up traffic.
 
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RE: Presidential Campaign Candidates Flying Policy

Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:22 am



Quoting 474218 (Reply 11):
Neither Bush of Clinton have ever used Marine 1 in Atlanta.

- Where would they land? Is there a suitable heliport near the government center or convention centers in downtown Atlanta? I'm not that familiar with downtown Atlanta, I always drive around the city when driving to FMY.

- I am sure that if POTUS was coming to Indy, they always motorcade to downtown, and then set up a TFR around downtown (which is a pain for ATC I'm sure).

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