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Belgium To Replace A310's

Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:58 am

According to this news bit on a Belgian news site (sorry, Dutch only), the Air Force is to replace it's aging A310's with two new leased airliners, either from Boeing or Airbus.

Both planes will cost the government 10 million euros a year according to the government.

http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/957/Belgie/...e-transportvliegtuigen-huren.dhtml


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RE: Belgium To Replace A310's

Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:42 am

Interesting, since Belgium is part of Airbus I assume it will be Airbus aircraft. Either A319s or A330MRTTs. I believe the A310s currently being used are -200s so they really have an insufficient range.
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RE: Belgium To Replace A310's

Thu Dec 11, 2008 12:54 pm



Quoting Columba (Reply 1):
Interesting, since Belgium is part of Airbus I assume it will be Airbus aircraft. Either A319s or A330MRTTs. I believe the A310s currently being used are -200s so they really have an insufficient range.

Well yes, but these planes are to be leased from the commercial market, so I expect that it will be chosen upon pricing and aircraft performance rather than on European interest.

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RE: Belgium To Replace A310's

Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:08 pm



Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 2):
Well yes, but these planes are to be leased from the commercial market, so I expect that it will be chosen upon pricing and aircraft performance rather than on European interest.

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RE: Belgium To Replace A310's

Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:42 pm



Quoting Columba (Reply 3):
You can lease ACJs and BBJs directly from Airbus and Boeing.

Certainly, but the A310's are mostly used for hauling troops. So I expect something bigger. What do you get for 10 million euros a year these days...?

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RE: Belgium To Replace A310's

Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:02 pm

This has come up before. My point is still the same, what's basically wrong with two not so old former SIA A310s?

Quoting Columba (Reply 1):
I believe the A310s currently being used are -200s so they really have an insufficient range.

Correct, but nothing is perfect. Yes, they'll have to make a stop or two on the way to Congo or Afghanistan, but is that actually a problem? The A310-200 is impopular with airlines, making it affordable. Hotter airliners will cost a lot more money, and I'd say that is not justified.

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RE: Belgium To Replace A310's

Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:36 pm



Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 5):
This has come up before. My point is still the same, what's basically wrong with two not so old former SIA A310s?

If I remember correctly, the maintenance of the A310's have become a major headache for the BAF, therefore they want to replace them. Their dispatch reliability was rather bad in the last year.

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RE: Belgium To Replace A310's

Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:55 am

There could be several airliner type on the market now, or will be coming on the market soon from the airlines. These would include the A-300-600R, B-767-200ER, A-310-300, B-767-300ER, as well as the former TZ DC-10-30. and B-757-300.
 
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RE: Belgium To Replace A310's

Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:57 am



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 7):
There could be several airliner type on the market now, or will be coming on the market soon from the airlines. These would include the A-300-600R, B-767-200ER, A-310-300, B-767-300ER, as well as the former TZ DC-10-30. and B-757-300.

A310-300 or A300-600R would be a good choice since transition time should be minimal and in service date should come quickly. On the flip side, they may have gotten a bad taste in their mouth for A310s, given the alleged maintenance headaches they've had more recently with the current A310s. Hard to say for sure.
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RE: Belgium To Replace A310's

Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:01 pm

The Dutch next door have extensive experience with the DC-10, perhaps a cooperative ageement and 2 more airframes...
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RE: Belgium To Replace A310's

Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:07 pm



Quoting Spacepope (Reply 9):
The Dutch next door have extensive experience with the DC-10, perhaps a cooperative ageement and 2 more airframes...

Such an agreement already exists AFAIK...

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