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DOD Announces First 3 F-35 Squadrons

Sat Feb 07, 2009 5:02 am

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First F-35 Squadron Plans Detailed

The first three squadrons of F-35s - with at least 59 aircraft - will be formed at Eglin Air Force Base, Fla., between 2010, when the first aircraft arrives, and mid-2013 when No. 60 is due.

Of the three training squadrons to be stood up, one will be U.S. Air Force with 24 conventional takeoff aircraft, one will be Marine Corps with 20 short-takeoff-and-vertical-landing aircraft and the last, with 15 aircraft, will belong to the Navy.

The Air Force's bed-down decision involves temporary operational limitations on flight training to minimize noise impact in the nearby town of Valparaiso. Meanwhile, supplemental environmental studies will be conducted as the Air Force works on a final study on F-35 noise.

There are to be at least 10 JSF training squadrons formed. The Pentagon is looking at another 156 installations to determine the remaining JSF bases for operations, additional training, depots and combined active-duty/Air National Guard/Reserve units. Production of the F-35 is scheduled to end in 2035.

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...20Plans%20Detailed&channel=defense
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RE: DOD Announces First 3 F-35 Squadrons

Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:40 pm



Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Of the three training squadrons to be stood up, one will be U.S. Air Force with 24 conventional takeoff aircraft, one will be Marine Corps with 20 short-takeoff-and-vertical-landing aircraft and the last, with 15 aircraft, will belong to the Navy.

Why consolidate the training when the Marines and Navy have entirely different training requirements? Unless the three services are also going to be doing expanded development work and further weapons evaluations studies on their respective aircraft at Eglin, it doesn't make sense and is totally out of line when compared to previous training program establishment practices.
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RE: DOD Announces First 3 F-35 Squadrons

Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:53 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the F-35 in the Air Force is going to be replacing the F-16 and the A-10 why are they looking for bases, rather than creating or re-opening new ones, install temp facilities at existing bases and phase out the F-16 and A-10's as the F-35's arrive, can't be cheaper to build new or re-open rather than upgrade. The a/c should be aable to fit in existing hangers used for the a/c it is replacing or am I wrong there also?
 
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RE: DOD Announces First 3 F-35 Squadrons

Sun Feb 08, 2009 8:13 am



Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 1):
Why consolidate the training when the Marines and Navy have entirely different training requirements? Unless the three services are also going to be doing expanded development work and further weapons evaluations studies on their respective aircraft at Eglin, it doesn't make sense and is totally out of line when compared to previous training program establishment practices.

Consolidating The Squadron's in one place will allow DOD to use less total TECH REPS from the Contractors and sub-contractors to solve any issue that may arise with the aircraft early on in it's military career. Also since the 3 squadrons will all be in one place any support equipment and/or special maintaince tools will all be available in one location. Also there are security concerns and putting all of the aircraft at an installation that is big with a lot of security lower the chance of any problems. The last point is with all of the BRAC that have gone on in recent years all branches of the military are using each others bases and maybe for the requirements of these 3 squadron's Eglin provided the best location logistically.
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RE: DOD Announces First 3 F-35 Squadrons

Sun Feb 08, 2009 5:20 pm

I thought that these environmental studies were all done. With the F-35 replacing both the F-16 and A-10 in the USAF, why don't they start placing Lightnings at Luke AFB and Davis-Montham AFB? The Navy can use Oceania and Lemoore while the Corp can use Miramar and Cherry Hill.
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RE: DOD Announces First 3 F-35 Squadrons

Sun Feb 08, 2009 6:18 pm



Quoting CX747 (Reply 4):
I thought that these environmental studies were all done. With the F-35 replacing both the F-16 and A-10 in the USAF, why don't they start placing Lightnings at Luke AFB and Davis-Montham AFB? The Navy can use Oceania and Lemoore while the Corp can use Miramar and Cherry Hill.

There will be some different bed downs, for instance I believe the Marine Corps is looking to consolidate the F-35s at Yuma, Miramar MCAS would be for C-130Ts, CH-53s and V-22s. And Oceania is not a given for the Navy, the BRAC round demonstrated that there are many folks who would like to move the Squadrons someplace else. I'm sure these studies will address many of those issues.
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RE: DOD Announces First 3 F-35 Squadrons

Sun Feb 08, 2009 9:54 pm



Quoting STT757 (Reply 5):
And Oceania is not a given for the Navy, the BRAC round demonstrated that there are many folks who would like to move the Squadrons someplace else. I'm sure these studies will address many of those issues.

What is the issue at Oceana that someone would want those squadrons moved?
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RE: DOD Announces First 3 F-35 Squadrons

Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:50 am

Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 6):
What is the issue at Oceana that someone would want those squadrons moved?

Sprawl encroachment, way too many condos and town houses built under the flight patters of Fighters into and out of Oceania.

The 2005 BRAC committee wanted to move the squadrons to a reopened Cecil Field or Moody AFB Georgia, the local Virginia Politicians agreed to several BRAC demands regarding curtailing sprawl and purchasing land for open space. The BRAC committee stated that if they did not follow through on their demands that Oceania would lose the Squadrons.

http://www.bracresponse.com/faqs.html

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RE: DOD Announces First 3 F-35 Squadrons

Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:38 am



Quoting Par13del (Reply 2):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the F-35 in the Air Force is going to be replacing the F-16 and the A-10

They say it will replace the A-10, but it won't. Nothing will or can!

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Of the three training squadrons to be stood up, one will be U.S. Air Force with 24 conventional takeoff aircraft, one will be Marine Corps with 20 short-takeoff-and-vertical-landing aircraft and the last, with 15 aircraft, will belong to the Navy.

Wouldn't it be more efficient for Lockheed to finish all the F-35s for the Air Force, then move on to the Navy or Marines instead of producing all three variants at once?
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RE: DOD Announces First 3 F-35 Squadrons

Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:50 am



Quoting STT757 (Reply 5):
There will be some different bed downs, for instance I believe the Marine Corps is looking to consolidate the F-35s at Yuma, Miramar MCAS would be for C-130Ts, CH-53s and V-22s.

According to what the military briefed San Diego on, F-35 will be stationed at Miramar:

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The five potential alternatives would designate as few as two or as many as 10 squadrons at Miramar. The F-35s would replace six squadrons of F/A-18 Hornets – about 90 aircraft – at Miramar, plus AV-8 Harriers at the Yuma base.

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stori...split-12-f-35-squadrons/?uniontrib

Quoting PanAm788 (Reply 8):
They say it will replace the A-10, but it won't. Nothing will or can!

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Quoting PanAm788 (Reply 8):
Wouldn't it be more efficient for Lockheed to finish all the F-35s for the Air Force, then move on to the Navy or Marines instead of producing all three variants at once?

No, because the other services and partner nations, Britain in particular, do not want to wait ten years for theirs.
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