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24 Dead In Bandung Military Plane Crash

Mon Apr 06, 2009 3:53 pm

From Jakarta Post

http://www.thejakartapost.com/

During heavy rains on Monday a military plane carrying 24 people crashed into an airport hangar and burst into flames, killing everyone on board, an air force spokesman said.

Fire trucks and ambulances rushed to the scene, pulling bodies from the debris. Emergency workers carried charred parts of the downed Fokker 27 from the smoking hangar.

Air force spokesman Bambang Sulistyo said none of the 24 aboard the aging turboprop -- which was filled with trainees returning from a parachuting exercise -- survived. There were no casualties on the ground, he added.

It was not clear what caused the crash, which occurred as the pilot was trying to land during a heavy storm just outside the city of Bandung.


That presumably was Hussein Airport in Bandung. It appears to have happened just hours after the Garuda pilot was sentenced over the 737 crash.
 
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RE: 24 Dead In Bandung Military Plane Crash

Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:46 pm

Aircraft involved was F27 from 2nd Sqn, based at Halim Airport Jakarta. A-2703.

Accident happened at Husein Airport.

Initial photos of the crash site... Annotations from someone who visited the hangar after the accident.
http://www.indoflyer.net/forum/upfiles/140/DEEF3FBBB584430B9FFE3022C44F0CD0.jpg

Aircraft appeared to have been on approach to runway 29. Reported visibility by colleagues in Bandung at the time of the accident was that a rainstorm was moving in. The initial parts of the VORDME29 approach reported adequate... but, the final portion, was another story. According to an eyewitness, from the Indonesian Aerospace site north of the runway, immediately after the accident, they found it hard to see the hangar, implying poor visibility.

A good portion of the section of the eastmost roof apex is gone, the rear portion (the higher parts) remain intact. The aircraft disintegrated leaving only a few large pieces... the rest in small pieces  Sad No bodies intact were found  Sad

From photos taken from inside the hangar, it appears the aircraft attempted a go-around...





Sad day...

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RE: 24 Dead In Bandung Military Plane Crash

Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:18 pm



Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 1):
Aircraft appeared to have been on approach to runway 29

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RE: 24 Dead In Bandung Military Plane Crash

Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:43 pm

Why were trainees returning from a parachuting exersize?.
 
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RE: 24 Dead In Bandung Military Plane Crash

Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:50 pm



Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 3):

You mean, shouldn't they have jumped out?

Maybe they were returning from an exercise elsewhere.
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RE: 24 Dead In Bandung Military Plane Crash

Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:27 pm

That is what I was thinking, would'nt the plane return empty?.

Poss drop abandoned due to poor weather.
 
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RE: 24 Dead In Bandung Military Plane Crash

Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:47 pm

What are those aircraft in the hangar? One (on the left, the yellow one) appears to be a Casa 235; not sure about the other one?

I heard that the passengers were special forces trainees; no mention of their being on a parachuting mission.
 
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RE: 24 Dead In Bandung Military Plane Crash

Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:38 pm



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 6):
One (on the left, the yellow one) appears to be a Casa 235; not sure about the other one?

Looks like a CASA 212; both built by IPTN, just across the runway from that hangar if I'm not mistaken.
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RE: 24 Dead In Bandung Military Plane Crash

Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:47 am



Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 1):
From photos taken from inside the hangar, it appears the aircraft attempted a go-around...



Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 7):
Looks like a CASA 212; both built by IPTN, just across the runway from that hangar if I'm not mistaken.

??They look more like one of the IPTN hangars. IIRC the ones to the left of that approach view are not nearly that sort of size.

When I have been on a plane that has had to go around, they seem to track more over the IPTN side????
 
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RE: 24 Dead In Bandung Military Plane Crash

Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:53 am



Quoting Baroque (Reply 8):

Look at the photo in Reply 2, on the left side of the approach you can recognize the blue hangar with the red and white checkerboard panels from the photo in Reply 1. It's a large enough building.

But I don't actually see any of the indicated damage and airraft parts in the photo in Reply 1... What are we seeing there? It doesn't look as if an F27 actually slammed into that building, does it.
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RE: 24 Dead In Bandung Military Plane Crash

Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:00 pm



Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 9):
Look at the photo in Reply 2, on the left side of the approach you can recognize the blue hangar with the red and white checkerboard panels from the photo in Reply 1. It's a large enough building.

Similar pic from
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2...ad-weather-likely-cause-crash.html

The plane, from the 2nd squadron based at Halim Perdanakusumah Air Force Base in Jakarta, crashed into the aircraft service hangar of state-owned aircraft maker PT Dirgantara Indonesia (PT DI).

The base compound is shared with PT DI and a civilian airport.


This is a view looking N from about 1992. Not that it has changed a great deal! The terminal is just to the R of the field of view.

Big version: Width: 1953 Height: 1338 File size: 182kb
Bandung airport and IPTN factory, from CSN235, Merpati Bandung to Halim


If it hit the buildings on the S side of the runway it must have been extremely close to hitting the passenger terminal.
 
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RE: 24 Dead In Bandung Military Plane Crash

Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:53 pm



Quoting Baroque (Reply 10):

The factory is on the north side, the maintenance hangars that the F27 apparently hit - apparently also belonging to IPTN - are on the south side. You can see them on the extreme right below the runway in the last photo. I think the passenger terminal is to the left of those, not outside the photo if that's what you meant.

The photo caption of the Jakarta Post article tells us what actually happened and why the hangars are still standing:

Quote:
An aircraft hangar at Bandung%u2019s Husein Sastranegara Air Force Base is seen with damage to its roof, after being hit Monday by a Fokker airplane that went on to crash into the tarmac amid heavy rain, killing all 24 Air Force personnel on board.

So that must be the tarmac below the words 'CASA-NUSANTARA' and the runway in the aerial photo, and I think that's indeed near the passenger terminal.

My interest comes from the fact that I spent a few hours taking photos here in 2005.

Also from the Jakarta Post article:

Quote:
There were five planes being serviced at the time in the hangar. A Deraya Air Service NC-212-200 suffered a smashed wing, while a Batavia Air Boeing 737-300 suffered minor damage. Three other aircraft %u2014 an Adam Air Boeing 737-300, a CN-235 to be delivered to France and a Robinson light helicopter %u2014 were not damaged.



The French Air Force has some CN.235s, is it adding used aircraft from Indonesia?

Note that there seem to be two different CN.235s in the photos - one in yellow primer in Reply 1 and a white one in the Jakarta Post article photo.

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RE: 24 Dead In Bandung Military Plane Crash

Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:18 pm



Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 11):
So that must be the tarmac below the words 'CASA-NUSANTARA' and the runway in the aerial photo, and I think that's indeed near the passenger terminal.

You are right, I was forgetting where the terminal is in that pic - I tend to forget about those hangars that the F27 hit. But I assume that the "tarmac" referred to would be the hardstanding to the left where incoming planes are parked. You can see ghosts of the planes in the parking spaces on the pic - well I can!!

I assumed I knew what happened after watching the evening news from Jakarta but the Jkt Post article is a lot more accurate - I should have paid more attention. The news did list those killed in the crash.

Between the time of arrival of QF41 these days and the new tollway, I don't see as much of that airport as I used to.
 
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RE: 24 Dead In Bandung Military Plane Crash

Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:02 am



Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 4):
Maybe they were returning from an exercise elsewhere.

Yes, took off from Husein, for paradrops at nearby Sulaiman airfield.

Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 4):
Poss drop abandoned due to poor weather.

Affirm!

Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 7):
Looks like a CASA 212; both built by IPTN, just across the runway from that hangar if I'm not mistaken.

Yes, the C212 was due to return to Deraya next week!!!! The CN235 however, is less clear.

Quoting Baroque (Reply 10):
This is a view looking N from about 1992. Not that it has changed a great deal! The terminal is just to the R of the field of view.

Yes, from the south looking north...
The terminal is a small building to the left (west) of the affected hangars.

New info from the field... the aircraft never touched the runway, or any other surfaces... it went straight into the building with a possible attempted go-around. It hit the building with a left wing up position. Witnesses has also said the aircraft went straight into the building. The old terminal from the colonial era, (east of the hit hangars) had people running for cover when they saw a plane coming out of the rain straight for them... missed them, and hit the hangar...

Quoting Baroque (Reply 10):
The base compound is shared with PT DI and a civilian airport.

It's an airforce base, shared with PTDI... with a small civilian enclave on the south side between PTDI's ACS hangars and the air force base.

Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 9):
But I don't actually see any of the indicated damage and airraft parts in the photo in Reply 1... What are we seeing there? It doesn't look as if an F27 actually slammed into that building, does it.

OK, I guess U need to see plane parts...

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t203/asterix_2007/WREKAGEA2703.jpg
Here's the left wing... the right wing, well part of it, ended up on top of the C212...
there are more pics but I don't have permission to show it anywhere else...

You can see them here: http://www.indoflyer.net/forum/tm.asp?m=329031&mpage=5&key=
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RE: 24 Dead In Bandung Military Plane Crash

Thu Apr 09, 2009 6:23 pm



Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 13):
Here's the left wing... the right wing, well part of it, ended up on top of the C212...
there are more pics but I don't have permission to show it anywhere else...

Good grief. If that much of the plane was lodged in the hangars, amazing that parts not slam into the terminal.? I saw footage from inside the terminal the next day, apparently functioning normally. The storm seems to have been very local.

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