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First Boeing P-8 Poseidon Out Of Factory

Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:57 am

It looks like the first P-8 is out of the factory.

http://boeingforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=8

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RE: First Boeing P-8 Poseidon Out Of Factory

Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:17 am

This plane looks like it has some kind of raked wingtip instead of winglets. Is that right?
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RE: First Boeing P-8 Poseidon Out Of Factory

Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:21 am

Yes...the P-8 has raked wingtips. All P-8's will have raked wingtips.
 
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RE: First Boeing P-8 Poseidon Out Of Factory

Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:41 am



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 2):
Yes...the P-8 has raked wingtips. All P-8's will have raked wingtips.

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RE: First Boeing P-8 Poseidon Out Of Factory

Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:26 am

It has the body of the 800 and the wings of a 900 but not ranked wintips.
 
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RE: First Boeing P-8 Poseidon Out Of Factory

Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:43 am

Good to see the bird out the doors again after the first round of testing. She is extremely close to her first flight. Just weeks away!

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
This plane looks like it has some kind of raked wingtip instead of winglets. Is that right?

Yes the airplane does have unique 737 wingtips that are raked. The reason is that the airplane has to be able to operate at low altitudes during icing conditions which are not conducive to winglets.
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RE: First Boeing P-8 Poseidon Out Of Factory

Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:35 pm



Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Reply 4):
It has the body of the 800 and the wings of a 900 but not ranked wintips

Looked raked to me

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RE: First Boeing P-8 Poseidon Out Of Factory

Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:52 pm

Is it me or does the main landing gear legs seem to be a little taller in comparison to the regular -800? Looking at the engines, the ground clearance seems to be a tad bigger...
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RE: First Boeing P-8 Poseidon Out Of Factory

Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:55 pm



Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Reply 4):
It has the body of the 800 and the wings of a 900 but not ranked wintips.

The P-8 most sure has the Raked wingtips. The only diffrences between the 800 and the 900's wing is internal.

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 7):
Is it me or does the main landing gear legs seem to be a little taller in comparison to the regular -800? Looking at the engines, the ground clearance seems to be a tad bigger...

I'd say it's just the lack of fuel, and cabin fittings that makes it sit high on the gear. Some aircraft can can move over a foot depending how much they weigh.
 
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RE: First Boeing P-8 Poseidon Out Of Factory

Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:29 am

Can't wait to see this thing all decked out with the missiles, torpedoes and mines that it can carry. Gives a whole new meaning to the 737. Hopefully it lasts as long as the P-3's have.


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RE: First Boeing P-8 Poseidon Out Of Factory

Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:37 am

Is the P-3 capable of operating off of carriers since it is a prop? Or am I completely mistaken in thinking so.

If I am correct, which I doubt, how will the P-8's lack of carrier launch ability affect it's use?

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RE: First Boeing P-8 Poseidon Out Of Factory

Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:36 am



Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 10):
Is the P-3 capable of operating off of carriers since it is a prop? Or am I completely mistaken in thinking so.

Not even close to carrier capable. You might be thinking of the E2 Hawkeye.

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 10):
If I am correct, which I doubt, how will the P-8's lack of carrier launch ability affect it's use?

The P8A can do arial refueling. Also, don't forget that there are 737s in commercial use that operate scheduled transatlantic flights that last 8 hours. It can get where it is needed and is a lot faster than a P-3 while doing it.
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RE: First Boeing P-8 Poseidon Out Of Factory

Thu Apr 23, 2009 2:36 am



Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 11):
The P8A can do arial refueling. Also, don't forget that there are 737s in commercial use that operate scheduled transatlantic flights that last 8 hours. It can get where it is needed and is a lot faster than a P-3 while doing it.

The P-8 isn't the only 737 capable of in-flight refueling. The AEW&C airplane (like Australia's Wedgetail) can also be refueled in-flight.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 5):
Yes the airplane does have unique 737 wingtips that are raked.

They are raked wingtips.
 
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RE: First Boeing P-8 Poseidon Out Of Factory

Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:15 pm

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Sun Apr 26, 2009 3:48 am



Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Reply 4):
It has the body of the 800 and the wings of a 900 but not ranked wintips.

That seems like a winning combo, and one that could be beneficial on the BBJ/BBJ2's, which are optimized for range. The blended winglets of the 737's are best for climb, while the raked wing tips of the 764/772LR/773ER are better for reducing induced drag during the cruise portion of flight.

How much range will the P8 have? It seems like it would have alot, since it will be optimized for long range recon missions over the open seas.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 5):
Yes the airplane does have unique 737 wingtips that are raked. The reason is that the airplane has to be able to operate at low altitudes during icing conditions which are not conducive to winglets.

I originally read that the P8 would have raked wingtips for increased range, and not for the reason that you stated. I'm just wondering how an aircraft with hot wings could be vulnerable to low-altitude icing? The main portions of the wing would be heated, thus eliminating icing, although it seems that either a blended winglet or raked wingtip would be un-heated, allowing for ice build-up, in which case neither would provide any significant increase in performance.


This is a really cool plane! I wonder if Boeing will use this 738 fuselage/ 739 wing w/ raked wingtip on a commercial or VIP variant? It seems like a nice platform.
 
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RE: First Boeing P-8 Poseidon Out Of Factory

Sun Apr 26, 2009 4:22 am



Quoting ElpinDAB (Reply 14):
although it seems that either a blended winglet or raked wingtip would be un-heated, allowing for ice build-up, in which case neither would provide any significant increase in performance.

The APB wimglets are unheated, however I'm not sure whether the raked wingtips are. I'd be surprised after identifying an issue with wingtip icing, if the clean-slate raked wingtip design wasn't heated. It would be a simple bleed air duct extension after all.

Could also be thinking ahead. Raked tips interfere less with side-looking scanners.
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Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 11):
Not even close to carrier capable. You might be thinking of the E2 Hawkeye.

Must have been that. Thanks for the correction.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 11):
The P8A can do arial refueling.

Makes sense. Does the Navy have KC-135's to do refueling? I thought all of these belonged to the Air Force.

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Sun Apr 26, 2009 7:04 pm

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RE: First Boeing P-8 Poseidon Out Of Factory

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Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 5):
Yes the airplane does have unique 737 wingtips that are raked. The reason is that the airplane has to be able to operate at low altitudes during icing conditions which are not conducive to winglets.



Quoting ElpinDAB (Reply 14):
I originally read that the P8 would have raked wingtips for increased range, and not for the reason that you stated. I'm just wondering how an aircraft with hot wings could be vulnerable to low-altitude icing? The main portions of the wing would be heated, thus eliminating icing, although it seems that either a blended winglet or raked wingtip would be un-heated, allowing for ice build-up, in which case neither would provide any significant increase in performance.

I don't know that low-level icing is the real issue here. On the NG family (the non-military ones, that is) the most outboard L/E slats are NOT heated. If that's also the case with the P8, deciding not to equip them with winglets due to an inability to heat the winglet becomes a moot point. If Boeing decided to equip the P8s with A/I on *all* L/E slats, then the winglet heat issue becomes a possibility.

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 15):
Could also be thinking ahead. Raked tips interfere less with side-looking scanners.

That'd be my guess.

Anyone notice in the above pictures that there's a small bulge in the outboard #1 engine nacelle, but no similar bulge on the outboard nacelle of the #2 engine. If the bulge was an antenna, you'd think there would also be one there on the outboard side of #2. That leads me to wonder if #2 has a similar bulge, but on the *inboard* side of the nacelle. If so, both engines (viewed from the front) would appear identical, suggesting that the bulge on each engine nacelle is to accomodate additional accessories like two electrical generators per engine (versus the "normal" one). With all the electronic gear that'll undoubtedly be aboard, it stands to reason that they'd need the additional capability over the stock 737.
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Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 20):
If so, both engines (viewed from the front) would appear identical, suggesting that the bulge on each engine nacelle is to accomodate additional accessories like two electrical generators per engine (versus the "normal" one). With all the electronic gear that'll undoubtedly be aboard, it stands to reason that they'd need the additional capability over the stock 737.

  

The Wedgetail & Turkish AWACS airplanes also had the nacelle bulge to accomodate the increased electrical generating capacity.


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Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 21):
The Wedgetail & Turkish AWACS airplanes also had the nacelle bulge to accomodate the increased electrical generating capacity.

Thanks...

Any idea if the APU is likewise equipped with a second electrical generator to provide the same 4-generator level of redundancy in case of an engine shutdown?
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Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:23 am



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 20):
Anyone notice in the above pictures that there's a small bulge in the outboard #1 engine nacelle, but no similar bulge on the outboard nacelle of the #2 engine. If the bulge was an antenna, you'd think there would also be one there on the outboard side of #2. That leads me to wonder if #2 has a similar bulge, but on the *inboard* side of the nacelle. If so, both engines (viewed from the front) would appear identical, suggesting that the bulge on each engine nacelle is to accomodate additional accessories like two electrical generators per engine (versus the "normal" one). With all the electronic gear that'll undoubtedly be aboard, it stands to reason that they'd need the additional capability over the stock 737.

Yes you're correct it's on the left side of both engines.

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Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 22):
Any idea if the APU is likewise equipped with a second electrical generator to provide the same 4-generator level of redundancy in case of an engine shutdown?

I suspect they'd be shedding loads and beating feet to the nearest airfield if they had to shut one down. The additional generating capacity is for mission equipment not flight...
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Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:30 am

How many P-8 has already been built?

The pictures in the OP looks like it's already painted while the first flight pictures shows that it is still in the green protective coating. Are they two different planes?

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RE: First Boeing P-8 Poseidon Out Of Factory

Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:36 am



Quoting PolymerPlane (Reply 25):
Are they two different planes?

That is my understanding. I can't remember where I saw the information, though.
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RE: First Boeing P-8 Poseidon Out Of Factory

Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:38 am

I can't find the source right now, but I'm sure I've read that the "unpainted" P8 was the one that flew. The painted one has not flown yet.
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Quoting StudeDave (Reply 26):
I can't remember where I saw the information, though.
The first one is not yet painted, the second one is...

See the link in Reply 13.

Quoting 757GB (Reply 27):
I can't find the source right now, but I'm sure I've read that the "unpainted" P8 was the one that flew. The painted one has not flown yet.

Flightglobal's description is conflicting.....

Quote:
"Boeing has built two P-8A flight test aircraft -- T-1 and T-2. The latter is the unpainted aircraft that made its debut flight. T-2 (shown below) has not yet flown, but has been painted in USN colours." (emphasis mine)

Oh well, the picture in the linked report in Reply 17 leaves no doubt as to which one flew, and the text correctly referred to T-1 as the "former".  Smile
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Didn't see this in time for my previous post.....

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Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 28):
Quoting StudeDave (Reply 26):
I can't remember where I saw the information, though.
The first one is not yet painted, the second one is...
See the link in Reply 13.

That could've been it, thanks. Between this thread and the one in CivAv I wasn't too sure where I saw it what I though I did...
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Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:55 am



Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Thread starter):
It looks like the first P-8 is out of the factory.

Its about freakin time.


Now when we'll actually get to fly it in the fleet is a whole 'nuther discussion altogether. This thing is taking forever to get on out, but its nice to see its at least progressing however slow it may be.
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Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:43 am

Amazing. This is sure a hybrid! -900 wings, -800 fuselage length, -700 center fuselage section (only one overwing exit). Puts my Lego sets when growing up to shame!
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Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:32 am



Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Reply 4):
It has the body of the 800 and the wings of a 900 but not ranked wintips

I just noticed that the 800 and 900 both have the same wing span. Is there a difference between the two aircraft's wings? (Besides the P-8 having raked wing tips?)
 
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Quoting ElpinDAB (Reply 33):
I just noticed that the 800 and 900 both have the same wing span. Is there a difference between the two aircraft's wings? (Besides the P-8 having raked wing tips?)

The -900 is the exact same wing as the -800. The -900ER wing has been reinforced to allow for an additional ~14,000 lbs in max take-off weight. I do not know what form this reinforcement takes (thicker skins, additional ribs, etc?) but they are internal modifications and do not affect the aerodynamic performance of the wing. FWIW, this high MTOW 737-800 was also offered to commercial airlines as the 737-800ERX but to date it has not been ordered.
 
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Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 31):
Now when we'll actually get to fly it in the fleet is a whole 'nuther discussion altogether. This thing is taking forever to get on out, but its nice to see its at least progressing however slow it may be.

The P-8A has already flown once from Renton to BFI.
 
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Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 35):
The P-8A has already flown once from Renton to BFI.

What does this have to do with what you quoted? The Wedgetail has flown lots of times too, but it's still not yet "in the fleet".
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Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 35):
The P-8A has already flown once from Renton to BFI.

I think he covers this for me...

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 36):
What does this have to do with what you quoted? The Wedgetail has flown lots of times too, but it's still not yet "in the fleet".

Thanks.


The P-8 hasn't flown in the fleet yet, meaning any type of operational status. That takes lots of testing and approval from the DoD before it actually enters service.

On another note, the wedgetail actually just did some testing out in Oregon with our UAV's to work on the whole command and control concept, as well as operating with several of our assets. It seemed to work pretty well.
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This is one keenly awaited type by the IAF.I think they've ordered eight.
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Thu May 07, 2009 12:06 am

Anyone have an idea why they have those two really big window on either side between the wing and L1/R1 doors is for? They look almost as big as the emergency exits over the wing!
 
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Quoting SP90 (Reply 40):
Anyone have an idea why they have those two really big window on either side between the wing and L1/R1 doors is for?

Scanner window. Good for photography, visual searches, etc.
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Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 41):
Scanner window. Good for photography, visual searches, etc.

Thanks. Wish they would put that into the civilian models too.  Silly
 
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Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 18):
Does the Navy have KC-135's to do refueling? I thought all of these belonged to the Air Force.

No, the USN does not have any KC-135s (they used to have one KC-135A for electronic fleet exercises but not refueling) all of the E-6B and P-8A air refueling will be done by USAF tankers.

To bad Boeing discontinued the B-737 eyebrow windows, they could still be useful on the missions the P-8As will fly. IIRC, all of the USN C-40As were built with eyebrows.
 
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Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 39):
Another nice pic in full USN paint:

Given the low reguard that Navy personnel take in ACFT apperance that will probably the best that acft will look until it comes out of a D check later. Their E-6's look like a Lebanese freighters doing the Amman Adana run full of sides of goat meat.
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Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 44):
Given the low reguard that Navy personnel take in ACFT apperance that will probably the best that acft will look until it comes out of a D check later. Their E-6's look like a Lebanese freighters doing the Amman Adana run full of sides of goat meat.

Yeah-- 'cuz looks are everything. Don't fly it if it ain't pretty? Plus~ white paint it so easy to maintain on birds that are in the air as much as those E-6s are, right? WHATEVER!!!

The NAVY doesn't paint for appearance sake~ at least they are not supposed to. They have better things to do. I only did it for 20 years, and painting was one of my jobs. Despite what other services may want their birds look like-- looks are NOT everything!!! The NAVY knows this. Some of the ugliest looking birds my squadrons had were our BEST fliers...

It's really apples and oranges anyway. These P-8s will be maintained by a completely different 'side' of the NAVY then those E-6s you're talking about. And ever since the P-3s started using this 'new' color they actually do look better for longer-- given the abuse they get, and the equipment they have to work with.
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Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 44):
Given the low reguard that Navy personnel take in ACFT apperance that will probably the best that acft will look until it comes out of a D check later.

They may not care too much about how their aircraft look, but the Navy certainly cared about where their P-8As would stay until their D-Checks after the P-3s are gone --- by building Hangar 511 at NAS Jacksonville, the biggest facility of its kind in the USN for maritime patrol and reconnaisance aircraft.....

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Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 46):
They may not care too much about how their aircraft look, but the Navy certainly cared about where their P-8As would stay until their D-Checks after the P-3s are gone --- by building Hangar 511 at NAS Jacksonville, the biggest facility of its kind in the USN for maritime patrol and reconnaisance aircraft.....

I believe that is a maintenance hanger. I suspect the operational units will be out on the flight-line just like the P-3s.
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