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C-5 Crews Thoughts On M Model

Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:44 am

I would help you but it is not in the contract
 
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RE: C-5 Crews Thoughts On M Model

Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:25 am



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C-5M aircrews crow about new engines, avionics

I expect they're just happy to actually be in the air and not on the ground, considering how poor the dispatch reliability rate is said to be for the C-5 fleet. Big grin
 
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RE: C-5 Crews Thoughts On M Model

Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:50 pm

Amazing how four brand new CF-6 engines will make flying so much more enjoyable.  Wink

I've been around CF-6 powered aircraft for a little over ten years. The CF-6 is a dependable engine, that's why they have been around for so long. We, AA, just had a CF-6 that was on wing on a 767-300 for 40000 hours. It was the engine that was delivered with the aircraft.
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RE: C-5 Crews Thoughts On M Model

Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:59 pm



Quoting LMP737 (Reply 2):
We, AA, just had a CF-6 that was on wing on a 767-300 for 40000 hours. It was the engine that was delivered with the aircraft.

40.000 EFH?? Even for a first runner thats quite a bit too much, isn't it?
 
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Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:05 pm



Quoting NicoEDDF (Reply 3):
40.000 EFH?? Even for a first runner thats quite a bit too much, isn't it?

It's a lot of hours but I wouldn't call it to much.
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RE: C-5 Crews Thoughts On M Model

Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:45 pm

Congratulations to the "new" transport plane  champagne 
I'm still hoping that also the A's will be converted since after all it's an economic way to get a great airlifter, but I'm probably dreaming.

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RE: C-5 Crews Thoughts On M Model

Fri May 01, 2009 7:02 pm

Only two of the Ms are at Dover, and for the majority of the time, one has been in a hanger the entire time, lol. About a third of that time was scheduled maintenance, but since both of these jets were on the ground for so long, and subject to extreme weather testing, they developed alot of leaks. The third C-5M, 9024, is at Robins doing its normal programmed depot maintenance. 6025 has flow a few missions from Ramstein and back, but 6013 hasn't gone anywhere since it was delivered. There are still alot of legacy problems with the "new" jet. I guess when they actually start tracking the operational capability later in the year, we will get the true results. The next jet is being inducted in August.
 
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Sat May 02, 2009 2:29 pm



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DOVER AIR FORCE BASE, Del. — From a distance, the gray C-5 Galaxy parked on the flight line looks the same as the dozen or so others lined up on the concrete.

Up on jacks?  Smile

Quoting Galaxy5007 (Reply 6):
Only two of the Ms are at Dover, and for the majority of the time, one has been in a hanger the entire time, lol.

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RE: C-5 Crews Thoughts On M Model

Wed May 06, 2009 8:51 am

Does anybody have a breakdown of the expenses which add up to 148 million dollars to upgrade a C-5 to the M model?

Is it just me or does that seem like quite a bit of cash for upgrading a plane using mostly off the shelf technology?
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RE: C-5 Crews Thoughts On M Model

Wed May 06, 2009 10:49 pm



Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 8):
Is it just me or does that seem like quite a bit of cash for upgrading a plane using mostly off the shelf technology?

Nah, thought the same...for that money you nearly can buy brand new C17
 
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Thu May 07, 2009 12:04 am



Quoting NicoEDDF (Reply 9):
for that money you nearly can buy brand new C17

260 million for a new C-17, that only carries half of what the C-5 carries...296 million for two modernized C-5s that can do the job of 4 C-17s.... Must I go on? Go C-5!
 
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RE: C-5 Crews Thoughts On M Model

Thu May 07, 2009 8:06 am

So what's the cost breakdown?
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RE: C-5 Crews Thoughts On M Model

Thu May 07, 2009 9:14 am



Quoting Galaxy5007 (Reply 10):
296 million for two modernized C-5s that can do the job of 4 C-17s.... Must I go on? Go C-5!

Hahaha, never underestimate the usefulness of the C-5....until you break in Guam for a week.

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RE: C-5 Crews Thoughts On M Model

Thu May 07, 2009 12:07 pm



Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 8):
Does anybody have a breakdown of the expenses which add up to 148 million dollars to upgrade a C-5 to the M model?

4 CF6-80s and a spare ... $50 million?

HPT disc failures should AD'd now. The CF6 was developped from the TF39, which probably eased integration compared to a totally different engine.

I think a big operation plus for the CF-6-80 is that you can get MRO and parts everywhere. Is it the most used turbofan? A300, A310, A330, B747, B767, MD11, C-X all use CF6-80 versions.

CF6 shops, warehouses everywhere. Not that MRO will be outsourced but its handy to e.g. top up stocks fast/ efficiently. Probably more important then the better fuel efficiency the GENX could have offered.

Maybe this mod will have the C5 fleet finaaly meet its original dispatch reliability targets. Bad news for the An124 operators that made a fortune out of US / NATO operations during the last 15 yrs.
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RE: C-5 Crews Thoughts On M Model

Fri May 08, 2009 8:36 pm

So 50 mil on engines. Besides avionics, what make up the other 100 mil?
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RE: C-5 Crews Thoughts On M Model

Sat May 09, 2009 3:25 am

New APUs, ATMs, almost all the hydraulic actuators were replaced with rebuild/new ones, a new anti-skid system, lighting system, computer system (replaced MADAR), the new pylons, wiring, etc. It adds up quick. I think they put some of the legacy problems that needed to be fixed before RERP could happen were thrown into the cost as well.
 
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RE: C-5 Crews Thoughts On M Model

Sat May 09, 2009 11:03 pm

Needless to say, it's just another sweetheart contract (they all are), but it is great to see the mighty C-5 being shined up. It's great to see such a legendary aircraft get some respect and much needed work.

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