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Can Anyone Identify This Aircraft?

Mon May 11, 2009 10:13 pm

As the title says.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tearbringer/3522914899/

Its at SNN/EINN. Obviously US military.
Initially thought it was a C40A Clipper but they don't have winglets.
It seems to have a Minuteman figure on the winglet. But the USN 'Minutemen' squadron operate C130Ts

Thanks in advance if you can help.
 
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RE: Can Anyone Identify This Aircraft?

Mon May 11, 2009 10:41 pm

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The Navy’s C-40A replacements were initially ordered and delivered with standard wings, but airline usage has shown significant fuel-savings benefits from adding turned-up “winglets” on the end. New-build C-40As from aircraft #9 onward will now have those winglets, C-40As #5-8 have been retrofitted, and a decision concerning retrofits for aircraft #1-4 is expected in spring 2009.

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RE: Can Anyone Identify This Aircraft?

Mon May 11, 2009 10:49 pm

C-40Bs have winglets. They're made out of -700 BBJs

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Mon May 11, 2009 11:54 pm

The Minuteman is the symbol of the U.S. Air National Guard. In this case the District of Columbia Air National Guard. Has nothing to do with U.S. Navy.

http://www.113wg.ang.af.mil/

edit: I believe the ANG got C-40C versions.... whereas the active duty C-40s also located at Andrews are B models... I have no idea what the difference is.....

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RE: Can Anyone Identify This Aircraft?

Mon May 11, 2009 11:56 pm



Quoting Bramble (Thread starter):
It seems to have a Minuteman figure on the winglet.

The District of Columbia (Washington DC) Air National Guard aircraft use a Minuteman logo on their aircraft. Do you have a higher resolution shot where you can read the serial number? Looks like it starts with a 2 - that wouldn't be a USN BuNo, more likely a USAF serial (02-xxxx)

From the photo on their web page (http://www.113wg.ang.af.mil/) it looks like it could be one of their C-40C (737BBJ) aircraft.
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Tue May 12, 2009 12:10 am

Looks like it's recently had its eyebrows plugged too....


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Tue May 12, 2009 2:16 am



Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 3):



Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 3):
edit: I believe the ANG got C-40C versions.... whereas the active duty C-40s also located at Andrews are B models... I have no idea what the difference is.....

I think one of the subtypes were bought used, from Ford.

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Tue May 12, 2009 4:18 am

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 3):
I believe the ANG got C-40C versions.... whereas the active duty C-40s also located at Andrews are B models... I have no idea what the difference is.....

One B model even sports just the cheatline and registration.....

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Quoting Moose135 (Reply 4):
it looks like it could be one of their C-40C (737BBJ) aircraft.

The most distinguishing feature is the large side cargo door on the C model.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-bbj-convertible-is-available.html

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"The aircraft, built on the 737-700C platform, which was launched in 1997 for the US Navy, builds on a 737-700 fuselage, -800 wing and strengthened landing gear. The BBJ C, which becomes the 10th member of Boeing's BBJ family, was introduced at EBACE in 2006.

Its key feature is its large cargo door onto the left-hand side of the forward fuselage, enabling the loading of 86.9m3(3,086ft3) of cargo onto the aircraft's main deck."


But it appears the USAF didn't take that option.....

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Wed May 13, 2009 2:52 am



Quoting Moose135 (Reply 4):
Do you have a higher resolution shot where you can read the serial number? Looks like it starts with a 2 - that wouldn't be a USN BuNo, more likely a USAF serial (02-xxxx)

020203 is the numerical code below the tail.

Thanks for all the replies guys. Very informative. By initial guess mentioned the USN as I had snapped a Navy C40A the previous week,but it did have tail letter codes.
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Wed May 13, 2009 5:07 am



Quoting Bramble (Reply 8):
020203 is the numerical code below the tail.

Per the Scramble database:

Serial Number: 02-0203
Type: C-40C
Construction Number: 33434/1211
Unit: 201st Airlift Squadron (DC ANG)
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Wed May 13, 2009 2:55 pm



Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 3):
I believe the ANG got C-40C versions.... whereas the active duty C-40s also located at Andrews are B models... I have no idea what the difference is.....

C-40A is the USN cargo/passenger version, a combi. It has a cargo door on the left side. Boeing designation is the B-737-700C. Some now have winglets, the early versions do not.

C-40B is the USAF VIP transport version. It carries up to 20 pax, and no cargo door. Boeing designation B-737-700BBJ. All have winglets.

C-40C is the ANG version. I believe they are assigned to both DC and CO. It carries up to 120 pax and no cargo door. These were purchased from Ford Motor Company as well as Boeing. Boeing designation B-737-800BBJII. All have winglets.
 
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RE: Can Anyone Identify This Aircraft?

Wed May 13, 2009 8:52 pm

Heres another one for you:


Spotted it at Frankfurt today.
I initially thought it looked like a B-29.
But has twin jet engines and is a passenger aircraft(has windows)

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/tearbringer/3528642739/
 
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RE: Can Anyone Identify This Aircraft?

Wed May 13, 2009 9:11 pm



Quoting Bramble (Reply 11):
Spotted it at Frankfurt today.
I initially thought it looked like a B-29.
But has twin jet engines and is a passenger aircraft(has windows)

Sure looks like a fire trainer to me.
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RE: Can Anyone Identify This Aircraft?

Wed May 13, 2009 9:43 pm



Quoting Spacepope (Reply 12):
Sure looks like a fire trainer to me

If so its in very good conditions. Aren't they usually painted green with 3 engines to simulate various aircraft?

Haven't seen it there before. Its on the side that used to be occupied by the US Military. There is a SeaKing helicopter just out of shot to the right,you can see it in one of the shots. And as we taxied past it we also passed the actual FRA fire trainer approx 500 metres from it.
 
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RE: Can Anyone Identify This Aircraft?

Wed May 13, 2009 9:59 pm



Quoting Bramble (Reply 8):
had snapped a Navy C40A the previous week,but it did have tail letter codes.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tearbri...8988/

The location of VR-59 is not New Orleans. It's JRB Fort Worth.
 
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RE: Can Anyone Identify This Aircraft?

Wed May 13, 2009 10:37 pm

Well, it's more likely than a surviving Baade 152 making a trip to FRA

See thread http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4268197/


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Thu May 14, 2009 3:16 am



Quoting Kingairta (Reply 14):
The location of VR-59 is not New Orleans. It's JRB Fort Worth.

Thanks for that. I was going by the info I read in this months Aircraft Ilustrated. There is a listing of all USN air assets.


Cheers for the link to that thread. I have to agree that it does look very 'real' compared to normal fire trainers that you see at airports.

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