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Terminator Movie And The A10

Mon Jun 01, 2009 1:47 pm

Watched the new Terminator movie, nice to see the A10 still flying in 2018, along with the UH1!

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RE: Terminator Movie And The A10

Mon Jun 01, 2009 4:38 pm

The A-10s have been undergoing upgrades to extend their service time. Wikipedia (and take the info with a grain of salt) is saying the plane might stay in service as late as 2028.
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RE: Terminator Movie And The A10

Mon Jun 01, 2009 4:40 pm



Quoting Csturdiv (Reply 1):
is saying the plane might stay in service as late as 2028.

I hope so, what better CAS or tank killing platform is there? Not sexy but perfect for the job at hand.. and cheap.
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RE: Terminator Movie And The A10

Mon Jun 01, 2009 5:06 pm



Quoting Petera380 (Thread starter):
Watched the new Terminator movie, nice to see the A10 still flying in 2018, along with the UH1!

Is it with us, or with skynet?
 
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RE: Terminator Movie And The A10

Mon Jun 01, 2009 8:50 pm



Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 3):
Is it with us, or with skynet?

The resistance flew the A10's against Skynet!  Big grin
 
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Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:36 pm



Quoting Petera380 (Reply 4):
The resistance flew the A10's against Skynet! Big grin

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RE: Terminator Movie And The A10

Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:32 pm



Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 5):
The resistance flew the A10's against Skynet!

Cheap, simple, easy to maintain, effective, tough.....the best plane for "guerrilla" warfare
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RE: Terminator Movie And The A10

Thu Jun 04, 2009 5:37 am



Quoting Marcus (Reply 6):
Cheap, simple, easy to maintain, effective, tough.....the best plane for "guerrilla" warfare

But too vulnerable, unless it operates at high level - in which case what advantages does it retain over a suitably armed F-16, which can get to the conflict zone a lot quicker?
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RE: Terminator Movie And The A10

Fri Jun 05, 2009 9:51 am



Quoting Kukkudrill (Reply 7):
But too vulnerable, unless it operates at high level - in which case what advantages does it retain over a suitably armed F-16, which can get to the conflict zone a lot quicker?

The A-10 is a cable operated control system, you won't have to worry about skynet taking over the aircaft as you would in an electric jet such as the F-16.

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Fri Jun 05, 2009 11:31 am



Quoting Kukkudrill (Reply 7):

But too vulnerable, unless it operates at high level - in which case what advantages does it retain over a suitably armed F-16, which can get to the conflict zone a lot quicker?

Actually, it is much more damage resistant than any other fighter. It trades speed for maneuverability and toughness. Its record in actual combat proves that it is not very vulnerable, and is able to inflict enormous damage to opponents. I think it has proved that it is the absolute best plane available for close air support when you have air dominance. It would not do so well if there were a bunch of MIG's and/or Sukhoi's to fend off.
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RE: Terminator Movie And The A10

Fri Jun 05, 2009 11:54 am



Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 3):

Quoting Petera380 (Thread starter):
Watched the new Terminator movie, nice to see the A10 still flying in 2018, along with the UH1!

Is it with us, or with skynet?

with us the resistance. Does a pretty good job against ground units but gets owned by the Skynet air units.
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RE: Terminator Movie And The A10

Fri Jun 05, 2009 11:16 pm



Quoting Kukkudrill (Reply 7):
But too vulnerable, unless it operates at high level - in which case what advantages does it retain over a suitably armed F-16, which can get to the conflict zone a lot quicker?

Uh its far LESS vunerable than a F16. Its at higher altitudes that other jets become far more effective against it, as do the larger SAM missiles.

It also has better range/loiter than the F16 which is why it was used for scud hunting. F16 gets 10min to do its job once there. A10 has a couple hours.

Oh and last but not least A10 had 2 Air to Air kills, F16 0 in the 1st gulf war. Far superior anti-helicopter platform.
 
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RE: Terminator Movie And The A10

Mon Jun 08, 2009 1:37 am



Quoting Csturdiv (Reply 1):
The A-10s have been undergoing upgrades to extend their service time. Wikipedia (and take the info with a grain of salt) is saying the plane might stay in service as late as 2028.

We need not content ourselves with Wiki.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...round-one-third-of-usaf-a-10s.html

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in which case what advantages does it retain over a suitably armed F-16, which can get to the conflict zone a lot quicker?

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RE: Terminator Movie And The A10

Mon Jun 08, 2009 1:51 am



Quoting SEPilot (Reply 9):

Quoting Kukkudrill (Reply 7):

But too vulnerable, unless it operates at high level - in which case what advantages does it retain over a suitably armed F-16, which can get to the conflict zone a lot quicker?

Actually, it is much more damage resistant than any other fighter. It trades speed for maneuverability and toughness. Its record in actual combat proves that it is not very vulnerable, and is able to inflict enormous damage to opponents. I think it has proved that it is the absolute best plane available for close air support when you have air dominance. It would not do so well if there were a bunch of MIG's and/or Sukhoi's to fend off.

I'll agree with you regarding it's sturdiness, but I have to digress with your use of the word 'fighter'. The point remains though that it is a remarkably effective ground attack aircraft.

Takes me back to when I was in primary school, when I first read Tom Clancy's Red Storm Rising- was it there that the description of the A-10 as 'the Devil's Cross' came from?
 
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RE: Terminator Movie And The A10

Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:02 am



Quoting QFMel (Reply 13):
I have to digress with your use of the word 'fighter'.

Um, The A10 has won the Air to Air portion of wargames in the past. If other fighters come down to play with it at low altitude, the A10 does very well. Radar guidence doesn't work well near ground clutter, IR guidence isn't that great against the A10 with its decently shrouded high bypass engines, and the A10 turns tighter than all the pointynose fighters. Which leaves it the GAU-8 for some spray and pray across the other fighter.

Yes, the A-10 is useless for Air Superiority,
Yes, it is very deadly against anything that comes down to play with it.
 
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RE: Terminator Movie And The A10

Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:47 am



Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 14):

Quoting QFMel (Reply 13):
I have to digress with your use of the word 'fighter'.

Um, The A10 has won the Air to Air portion of wargames in the past. If other fighters come down to play with it at low altitude, the A10 does very well. Radar guidence doesn't work well near ground clutter, IR guidence isn't that great against the A10 with its decently shrouded high bypass engines, and the A10 turns tighter than all the pointynose fighters. Which leaves it the GAU-8 for some spray and pray across the other fighter.

Yes, the A-10 is useless for Air Superiority,
Yes, it is very deadly against anything that comes down to play with it.

So I've heard, I'm not denying that capability- it is an undeniably impressive aircraft- but that is quite obviously not it's reason for being. If someone seriously dubbed a Nimrod MR2 a fighter (didn't it get a nickname during the Falklands along these lines) because of an ability to carry the AIM9 then I would make precisely the same point. Possession of hardpoints does not a fighter make, no more than superior low altitude performance makes the A10 a fighter.
 
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RE: Terminator Movie And The A10

Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:49 am

Always nice to have a titanium bathtub surrounding your butt too.
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RE: Terminator Movie And The A10

Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:42 pm

Nicer still that a fresh contract is awarded to three major contractors for continuing sustainment and modernization of its weapons systems......

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...-modernization%2C-sustainment.html

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"Boeing, Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman will share in a $1.6 billion contract to complete the A-10 modernization program.

The Air Force is awarding an indefinite delivery/indefinite quantity contract to the following contractors: McDonnell Douglas Corp., of Saint Louis, Miss., Lockheed Martin-Systems Integration of Owego, N.Y., and Northrop Grumman Technical Services, Inc., of Herndon, Va.

This contract provides a multiple-award indefinite delivery/indefinite quantity contract vehicle to sustain and modernize all A-10 weapon system configuration."
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RE: Terminator Movie And The A10

Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:00 pm



Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 14):

Um, The A10 has won the Air to Air portion of wargames in the past. If other fighters come down to play with it at low altitude, the A10 does very well. Radar guidence doesn't work well near ground clutter, IR guidence isn't that great against the A10 with its decently shrouded high bypass engines, and the A10 turns tighter than all the pointynose fighters. Which leaves it the GAU-8 for some spray and pray across the other fighter.

Excellent point, I did not realize this, but it makes sense. The key for the A10 is don't try and play the other guy's game, stick to your own. Much like Claire Chennault proved with the flying tigers; develop tactics that play toward your strengths and take advantage of your opponents' weaknesses. There surely is no better plane ever developed for playing in the weeds; I write this after recalling standing on my front porch and witnessing two A10's flying through a slight valley behind my house; I swear I was looking down on them. They couldn't have been more than 30 feet high, and Vermont terrain is VERY irregular. No other military plane could have done that that I know of.
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RE: Terminator Movie And The A10

Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:39 pm

As one A-10 Pilot once told me any one Crosses him and his 30MM they will wish they had not for the Short remainder of there Lives.

Also the A-10 having Side Winders along with Loads of Jamming Pods and Large stocks of Chaff and Flares makes Shooting a Radar or Infra red missile at a Warthog a Challenge.

A lot of exercise Pilots are warned not to go LOW and SLOW with a Warthog or Similar machine or risk getting Ventilated (Exterminated) by the 30MM Canon.


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RE: Terminator Movie And The A10

Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:36 pm

Miss seeing all the A10s around the UK when they were at Bentwaters. I have fond memories around 1988 of being on a small exercise in Herefordshire in a trench with my rifle and a pair of A10s suddenley appeared ducking and diving on us at very low altitude, sod the exercise, we were mesmerised, loved it.
 
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RE: Terminator Movie And The A10

Sat Jul 11, 2009 5:21 pm

Nothing without thrust-vectoring can turn inside a Hog, nothing, and even a glancing blow with the GAU-8 and it's "game over", see "Warthog Stomp". A smart SU or MiG driver should try to take advantage of "look down/shoot down" 'cause coming down to play in the mud with a Hog would even the odds dramatically.
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RE: Terminator Movie And The A10

Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:40 am

A10 is a fantastic aircraft. However it would be interesting to see a skirmish between the A10 and the SU-25MT. (i grant the A10 being superior)

The SU-25 is on the other side more versatile and can carry more diffrent payload. Pilots are also protected by a titanium bathtub. AFAIK there are some SU-25 capable to land on a carrier,.
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RE: Terminator Movie And The A10

Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:48 pm



Quoting AutoThrust (Reply 22):
The SU-25 is on the other side more versatile and can carry more diffrent payload. Pilots are also protected by a titanium bathtub. AFAIK there are some SU-25 capable to land on a carrier,.

The Frogfoot is also less survivable because of the placement of the engines, the fact that they're not "hidden" and the lack of redundancy that twin vertical stabs bring to the table.  Smile
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RE: Terminator Movie And The A10

Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:08 am



Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 23):
The Frogfoot is also less survivable because of the placement of the engines, the fact that they're not "hidden" and the lack of redundancy that twin vertical stabs bring to the table.

Good points. Of course the firepower of the GAU-8 is unmatched but that also comes at a cost. AFAIK 44,5kN is the recoil ! How good is the plating on the A-10 base?
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RE: Terminator Movie And The A10

Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:24 pm



Quoting AutoThrust (Reply 24):

The plane was essentially built for that gun so it doesn't break mounts. The gun mount is a shock absorber of sorts. This has been a problem for the F-16 and the Vulcan in the past though.  Smile
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