Shhpanked
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Army's Woft Program

Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:12 pm

Just wanted to get some advice on the Army's WOFT program. I have my commercial rotor as well as my private ASEL; I have my instrument in both. My total time is right around 1,700, 300 of which is airplane time, another 300 or so is turbine time. I scored an 84 on the ASVAB, with a GT of 118. I have my HS diploma and some college.

I thought the Army was going to eat me up. Instead my recruiter is telling me that I should probably choose a job in the aviation field and then transfer into the WOFT program a couple of years into my military career. I really don't want to go through two AITs and I also don't want to risk spending my whole military career watching other guys fly. Basically, I'm wondering if I should listen to my recruiter? Or choose a job that's in an entirely different field?

My second option, if I don't get WOFT is 18x (SF) something I would love to do but even still I'd rather be flying.
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RE: Army's Woft Program

Sat Jul 18, 2009 3:03 pm

First, remember the recuiter has a quota to fill in many different MOSs within the US Army. He is trying to steer you into one of the fields he needs to fill, and really does not care what you would want to do in the US Army. That is his job.

My advise is if the Warrent Officer Flight Training is what you want, you will need to retake the ASVAB and get higher scores (the scores is what tells recruiters where to best place you). I don't know what overall score you need to be a Warrent Officer, but apparently it is higher than the 84 you got.

You are not commited to anything until you sign your enlistment contract.

There are publications you can use to study for the ASVAB test available in most liberies. There are also some on the internet, but some of these are not really good enough to prepare you for the test. Try studying them and go to a different Army recruiter.

If the next recruirter doesn't give you what you want, then go to anothert one. Keep in mind that each recruiter will continously call you to get you to sign up with them.

Don't give up on what you want, and don't give into what the recruiter wants. Eventually, you will get your oppertunity to go through WOFT. It is going to take work on your part.
 
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RE: Army's Woft Program

Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:01 pm

I talked to my recruiter yesterday and my waiver was finally processed so I have to go in on Monday to pick my job. I asked again about the WOFT and he said it's up to the job counselor down at MEPS so we'll see. I also asked him about retaking the ASVAB and he said my current score qualifies me for every job in the Army including WOFT.

I was sort of wondering how the Army trains their pilots. Am I going to be reviewing a lot of the material I already know or are they going to completely retrain me? What kind of helicopter do they use for student solos? And are the solo hour and qualifying flights similar to the private and commercial ratings in the civilian world?
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RE: Army's Woft Program

Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:07 pm

Dude watch out! If you want WOFT you have to stick to your guns at the recruiter, NOT THE MEPS STATION... Tell him you want WOFT, and get on the internet and do some research!

1. You need a 120 GT on your ASVAB.

2. You need a 90 on your AFAST.

3. Full Flight Physical (get this through the recruiter)

4. DO NOT ENLIST AS ANYTHING BUT MOS 09W.

Your recruiter is blowing sunshine up your rear dude, go to another one.. Tell them you want 09W. If they tell you to do something else first tell them no thank you and thi sis what you want...

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RE: Army's Woft Program

Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:41 pm

30 years ago the recruiter tried the same thing with me. I blew him off and stayed a civilian. My brother had just gone through WOFT and I wanted to follow him. I had a 94 on the ASVAB but never thought of finding another recruiter. I've always wondered if I missed anything...
 
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RE: Army's Woft Program

Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:35 pm

Not sure about the army but get to MEPs. Once there and you pass all the physical stuff tell them it's 09W or nothing. If they don't give it to you you can walk away.
 
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RE: Army's Woft Program

Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:57 pm



Quoting LongbowPilot (Reply 3):
1. You need a 120 GT on your ASVAB.

2. You need a 90 on your AFAST.

3. Full Flight Physical (get this through the recruiter)

4. DO NOT ENLIST AS ANYTHING BUT MOS 09W.

Your recruiter is blowing sunshine up your rear dude, go to another one..

Yes, stick to your guns, and good luck.

Always remember this.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):
You are not commited to anything until you sign your enlistment contract.

 
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RE: Army's Woft Program

Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:35 am



Quoting Shhpanked (Reply 2):
I talked to my recruiter yesterday and my waiver was finally processed so I have to go in on Monday to pick my job. I asked again about the WOFT and he said it's up to the job counselor down at MEPS so we'll see. I also asked him about retaking the ASVAB and he said my current score qualifies me for every job in the Army including WOFT.



Quoting Kingairta (Reply 5):
Not sure about the army but get to MEPs. Once there and you pass all the physical stuff tell them it's 09W or nothing. If they don't give it to you you can walk away.

That's not how it works.

The MEPs career counselors cannot just hand out WOCS slots. All people attempting to become a warrant, need to go through the application process, which includes putting together an application packet, going before a board (for street to seat), an essay, letters of recommendation... and perhaps most importantly... you need to take the AFAST (army flight aptitude selection test). Then you mail in the packet, the folks up at Knox review it, and accept/deny it.

So there you go, you're recruiter was talking out of his ass, and it's been weeks since you posted this, so it's probably already too late.

But hey, going in enlisted isn't always such a bad thing. I was enlisted in the guard, as a UH60 crew chief, while I attended college. I dropped my packet in after 4 years, and got right in.
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RE: Army's Woft Program

Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:47 pm

Exactly what UH60 said. I'm an Army Recruiter right now. The only reason that recruiter isn't putting you in as a WOFT is because of one reason. He's lazy. I won't begin to lie...the process is a pain in the ass for a recruiter to do. It's takes up alot of your time. And to top it off, it doesn't count towards his monthly mission. He'll get points, for it, and the station and company makes a mission goal, but he still has to go out and find 1 or two more people to enlist before he makes mission.
 
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RE: Army's Woft Program

Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:43 am

I'm sorry I didn't see this post sooner but right on with what UH60 and Nite92 had to say, stick to your guns. If that recruiter won't help you out then go find one that will. I had a recruiter that was trying to make numbers and from initial paperwork to OCS board time I was finished in 28 days (trust me it was a lot of work and several trips to MEPS though to make the board date). Your ASVAB score isn't bad by any means, but of course the higher you can score the easier things will be. Given the fact that you have prior flight training should bode well for you too. As far as 18X goes you'd be best off enlisting as an 11B, 68W, or a 25 series and then setting yourself apart to get to get to selection. You also have to be airborne and pretty much maintain a PT score of 280 or higher amongst a host of other things. Keep pushing for what you want, you can get it if you can meet the criteria and are genuine about your interest.

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