Venus6971
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Usaf Asks For 100 Coin Acft.

Fri Aug 07, 2009 1:49 am

http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/20...8/airforce_light_airplane_080309w/

Let the guesses begin. AT-6, Taking old T-37's to refurbish,reengine. I'm thinking all new acft becuase of the 1000 mile unrefueled range.
I would help you but it is not in the contract
 
donniecs
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RE: Usaf Asks For 100 Coin Acft.

Fri Aug 07, 2009 3:47 am

Usaf Launches Coin Light Attack Aircraft (by ThePointblank Jul 31 2009 in Military Aviation & Space Flight)
Charlie - Gulfstream flight mechanic
 
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RE: Usaf Asks For 100 Coin Acft.

Fri Aug 07, 2009 11:02 am

This the same US Air Force that hates the A-10 and has been trying since they first got it to retire the best CAS a/c in their inventory? The Army should get in on this, trade some helo pilots to fly these birds, after all, their primary mission will be to suuport troops on the ground, and since it is likely to be a turbo prop, the Air Froce would willing grant a waiver for Army flying combat a/c.

The time to deploy is pretty short, that says to me that this is an off the shelf purchase and the manufacturer has already been notified that their a/c is the winner.
No way the US military Industrial Complex can design, computer test, build a proof of concept model, prototype, etc. etc. etc. in such a short space of time without billions not already being allocated. I note that no funds are listed in the article, no funds for design, no a/c, no one uses their dime to create a military a/c any more.
 
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RE: Usaf Asks For 100 Coin Acft.

Fri Aug 07, 2009 12:13 pm

How about PILATUS' PC21, license build by Fairchild, they could install a more powerfull engine like they did with the PC6 PORTER and maybe up its external load to 3000 lbs or so.

http://www.pilatus-aircraft.com/html...&NavL4ID=0&NavL5ID=0&NavL6ID=0&L=3

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RE: Usaf Asks For 100 Coin Acft.

Fri Aug 07, 2009 4:43 pm

How about dusting off the plans for this Cessna.
http://cessnawarbirds.blogspot.com/2...ssnas-almost-was-jet-traiiner.html
I here this was a great design that beat the pants off the T-6, which more less got the JPATS contract because of Corporate welfare to Raytheon.
I would help you but it is not in the contract
 
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RE: Usaf Asks For 100 Coin Acft.

Fri Aug 07, 2009 5:02 pm

Better solution would be to build the OV-10 Bronco with a more powerful engine. This a/c is going to go down in the weeds to support the troops, a proven airframe with dual engines is probably a safer bet than a single engine a/c.

That's my choice.
 
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RE: Usaf Asks For 100 Coin Acft.

Fri Aug 07, 2009 5:13 pm



Quoting ArniePie (Reply 3):
How about PILATUS' PC21, license build by Fairchild,

That would be hard as Fairchild ceased to exist over five years ago.
 
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Sat Aug 08, 2009 3:36 am



Quoting Par13del (Reply 5):
Better solution would be to build the OV-10 Bronco with a more powerful engine. This a/c is going to go down in the weeds to support the troops, a proven airframe with dual engines is probably a safer bet than a single engine a/c.

I like that. Or even pulling them out of storage (if they haven't been scrapped) and making mods as appropriate to get them somewhat modernized and out quickly. Even though re-engining might take some time, I would think throwing modern com gear, GPS, laser designator, perhaps a special module for any particularly sophisticated ordnance that the Bronco otherwise could not launch/guide/etc, wouldn't be too difficult, at least vs. buying another a/c.
 
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RE: Usaf Asks For 100 Coin Acft.

Sat Aug 08, 2009 4:48 am

If a prop is what you want, you'd bIf a prop is what you want, you'd be hard pressed to beat a P-47D or an A-1 Skyraider...
 
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RE: Usaf Asks For 100 Coin Acft.

Sat Aug 08, 2009 9:02 am

Can we predict this?
After a protracted evaluation, after lots of 'gold plating' added to the spec, a winner is chosen after costs have seriously escalated.
But the losing bidders contest it, leading to a re-evaluation, more costs, more delays.

If it survives that, by the time of operational service, the task they were mooted for has changed, or ended.
Or the bad guys got plenty of decent MADPADS, making the type too risky to use.
(Look how the OV-10 got retired, too vulnerable to MANPADS in Desert Storm).
 
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RE: Usaf Asks For 100 Coin Acft.

Sat Aug 08, 2009 10:18 pm



Quoting GDB (Reply 9):
(Look how the OV-10 got retired, too vulnerable to MANPADS in Desert Storm).

Any prop flying this mission will be vulnerable, it comes down to how much protection they want to place on the a/c.

Quoting GDB (Reply 9):
But the losing bidders contest it, leading to a re-evaluation, more costs, more delays.

One good thing if they use it is that they do not have to request bids, in this day and age it is cheaper to go without bids, the initial tanker bid was cheaper even though a rip off.
Funny, getting ripped comes out cheaper than going through the process, go figure  Smile

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