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First C-5 Rerp Production Aircraft Inducted

Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:57 pm

The tail number is 83-1285, they have an error in the story...but from Lockheed-Martin
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/news/p...009/090819ae_c5_1st-mod-lands.html
 
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RE: First C-5 Rerp Production Aircraft Inducted

Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:23 pm

Any pictures out of what the new glass cockpit looks like?
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RE: First C-5 Rerp Production Aircraft Inducted

Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:02 pm



Quoting Dragon6172 (Reply 1):
Any pictures out of what the new glass cockpit looks like?

http://www.codeonemagazine.com/archives/2007/articles/jan_07/cockpits/images/cockpits/c5m_full.jpg
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RE: First C-5 Rerp Production Aircraft Inducted

Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:39 pm



Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 2):

Thanks!! Nice looking set up. The screens look about the same as the Rockwell Collins screens that are going into the C-12s I work on.
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RE: First C-5 Rerp Production Aircraft Inducted

Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:02 pm

Anything change on the FE panel? I would assume it had, as I'm now working C-130Js and it's night and day to the C-130E.

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RE: First C-5 Rerp Production Aircraft Inducted

Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:59 am



Quoting Wingnut135 (Reply 4):

The FE panel didn't change too much for AMP mod. The old analog engine instruments are gone, and replaced with an additonal MFDU, the same as what the yoke yankers have. A few additional minor changes. Single battery, DC panel changed some.

The M model FE panel has a few more changes, but not too radical. APU egt is gone, now displayed on the MFDU. Engine electronic control power switches are new, and the AC pwr panel is different, as well as bleed air panel. MADAR is replaced with a new system that uses a MILTOPE laptop, looks somewhat like old MADAR. Fuel temp ind gone. Hyd, and fuel panels didn't change. DC panel is a bit different, the aircraft now has 2 batts, one being for the APUs.

Big changes with the circuit breaker panels. Legacy, AMP, and M models are pretty different. What was easy to find in the old days can be a challenge now.....Of course the T.O.s are at times very different.

However, get out of the cockpit, and the M model is a bit more different....
 
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RE: First C-5 Rerp Production Aircraft Inducted

Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:15 am

I have to say, the C-5M is quite impressive. They did a demo @ Dovers open house back in June, and they got it off the ground around 1800-2000 feet. There is a youtube video of it taking off somewhere...it was on the Saturday show (June 20th). Even from what I have read about Oshkosh AirVentures take off, alot of people were impressed on how quick it got off the ground. I'm looking forward to seeing 69-0024 getting back from PDM. The first "freshly painted" C-5M! That and I need to get its tail shot for my collection!
 
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RE: First C-5 Rerp Production Aircraft Inducted

Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:34 pm



Quoting JohnM (Reply 5):
Hyd, and fuel panels didn't change.

I would have thoght the fuel panel would be a big one to fix, I remember it being a pain in the a$$ at times when you're doing a long refuel. I guess the USAF spent too much money on the mood lighting on the flight deck of the C-130J.

Did they change the circuit breaker panels to ECBUs (Electronic Circuit Breaker Unit) like on the J? Instead of a physical breaker you tell the computer not to send power to the part (in a round about way).

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RE: First C-5 Rerp Production Aircraft Inducted

Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:23 pm



Quoting Wingnut135 (Reply 7):

No, they are still physical breakers. I have some pictures of the arrival ceremony here on Fence Check; http://www.fencecheck.com/forums/index.php/topic,18279.0.html
 
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RE: First C-5 Rerp Production Aircraft Inducted

Sat Aug 22, 2009 8:18 pm

There are some other minor flight deck differences to the RERP C-5's versus the AMP'ed C-5's that the picture above doesn't show. The throttles on the RERP jets are brand new, getting rid of the "lollipop" looking ones on the picture above. The throttle movement is much smoother and more responsive and the linkage isn't subject to the same fouling up the old linkage is/was suffering from. The FE panel changes from Legacy and AMP to RERP include a new VAC electrical panel, replaces the left and right APU switches with a much easier "RUN/STOP" toggle switch, and (I THINK) removes the hydraulic pump bypass switches.

I'm sorry I don't have a picture. I was focused on the new lighting in the cargo compartment I totally forgot to snap any shots of anything.

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RE: First C-5 Rerp Production Aircraft Inducted

Sat Aug 22, 2009 8:37 pm



Quoting HawaiianHobo (Reply 9):
and (I THINK) removes the hydraulic pump bypass switches

What hydraulic pump bypass switches? As a former hydraulic troop, I never heard of bypass switches on the C-5. No switches for hydraulics were removed, they are all the same, including the depress valves for the engines, and the start switches for the ATMs. The APU switches are dial knobs that are Stop, Run and Start.
The engine throttles, spoiler and flap handles are new. The entire annunciator light strip was removed. Again, go check out my fence check pictures of the cockpit that I posted in my previous posts link.
 
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RE: First C-5 Rerp Production Aircraft Inducted

Sat Aug 22, 2009 10:37 pm



Quoting Galaxy5007 (Reply 10):
What hydraulic pump bypass switches?

I'm sorry, I was referring to the ATM pump switches. Sometimes you say "ATM" and people get the wrong idea. I figured people would understand "bypass" better. Anyway, I thought they removed them but I wasn't positive. Thanks for the clear up!

Do you know if there is any truth to the rumor floating around Dover about the new cargo lighting not being installed on the rest of the fleet? My crew and I were told (from a young crewchief, mind you) during a tour that the lights "probably" wouldn't be installed because of difficulty with the installation.

I wish they'd throw in some commercial "first class" seats for us loads in the troop compartment  Smile
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RE: First C-5 Rerp Production Aircraft Inducted

Sat Aug 22, 2009 10:45 pm



Quoting HawaiianHobo (Reply 11):
Do you know if there is any truth to the rumor floating around Dover about the new cargo lighting not being installed on the rest of the fleet? My crew and I were told (from a young crewchief, mind you) during a tour that the lights "probably" wouldn't be installed because of difficulty with the installation.

The new cargo lighting will be installed on all the M models. It has already proven its worth compared to the troublesome legacy lighting system. That young crew chief might of been thinking about the A models not being RERPed. The lighting is actually not that difficult to install. They have all the insulation down during the mod anyways, so that clears up any concerns about wiring, and the mounts are easy to fabricate from what I've seen.
 
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RE: First C-5 Rerp Production Aircraft Inducted

Sat Aug 22, 2009 11:02 pm



Quoting Galaxy5007 (Reply 12):
That young crew chief might of been thinking about the A models not being RERPed.

I hope so, the new lights are perfect and I'd hate to think we'd be stuck with the old ones forever. One of our engineers suggested that maybe it was due to rough landings and that maybe the lights just couldn't take it but I doubt it since the C-17 has similar lighting and they land on surfaces way rougher than what we land on... (throw in a good "no landing gear" joke in for good measure)
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Great pics on fencecheck! Spirit of Global Reach was the jet we got the tour of. I can't wait for us here in Cali to start getting our "M's and N's" ...that is, if they really DO plan on RERP'ing the SCM birds.
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RE: First C-5 Rerp Production Aircraft Inducted

Sun Aug 23, 2009 12:40 am



Quoting HawaiianHobo (Reply 13):
that is, if they really DO plan on RERP'ing the SCM birds

As of now they are still approved...just need to be funded. There have been rumors over here on the east coast that Travis is going to give up their C-5s all together for another squadron of C-17s, and the same rumor is going for Stewart IAP. They want to retire the POS planes that just never get off the ground, and give the B models off to Lackland. Rumors are always fun to analyze...so who knows whats going to come of it all.
Thanks for the complements! It was a chilly day, but it was worth it! 69-0024 is due back from PDM in 2 weeks, so I'm hoping to get some pics of a newly painted C-5M  Smile
 
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RE: First C-5 Rerp Production Aircraft Inducted

Sun Aug 23, 2009 1:50 am



Quoting HawaiianHobo (Reply 9):
and (I THINK) removes the hydraulic pump bypass switches.

I think you might mean the ATM on/REMOTE/off switches. Do you guys remember what the REMOTE position does? Bet you remember now.

I think the M panel kept the remote position. Not 100% sure, but if memory serves, the M panel looks just like legacy, including the useless remote position of the switch. I've never seen the remote function used. Especially since the FE seat has to be occupied when ground troops run the ATM.
 
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RE: First C-5 Rerp Production Aircraft Inducted

Sun Aug 23, 2009 6:52 am



Quoting JohnM (Reply 15):
I've never seen the remote function used. Especially since the FE seat has to be occupied when ground troops run the ATM.

They didn't change anything on the hydro panel. The Remote function doesn't work on any of the C-5s. We have tried it on at least 40 jets, and none worked. I think they deactivated it long ago. The FE seat has to be occupied at home station, but those rules always get bent off station.

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