boacvc10
Posts: 469
Joined: Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:31 pm

Q: TB-58A Hustler NLG Clearance

Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:39 pm

Hi, just curious to know how much clearance was there between the Nose Landing Gear and the Pod that was carried under the TB-58A Hustler:


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Gary Chambers



What was the mechanism and method of retraction, as it seems (from the perspective of the camera), the Pod actually intruded into the space directly below the NLG bay
Up, up and Away!
 
User avatar
kc135topboom
Posts: 10997
Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2005 2:26 am

RE: Q: TB-58A Hustler NLG Clearance

Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:02 pm

The clearance between the nose gear and the weapons/fuel pod depended on which pod was carried. IIRC, there were actually three differently configuered weapons/fuel pods. I believe the minimum clearance was about 18" (.45m)

The nose landing gear had a complicated retraction and extension cycle. But basicly the top of the gear moved aft, while the wheels moved up, and were stowed in the foreward section of the nose gear bay. The pivoting axil of the nose gear (about 75% of the way up the gear sturt from the wheels to the top) was mounted on two slides, one on each side, and would move aft as the gear retracted until the entire nose gear was horizontal within the gear bay. Then the very long nose gear follow up doors would close. Extension was the reverse.

Both the B-58A and the TB-58A worked the same way.
 
User avatar
Moose135
Posts: 2555
Joined: Mon Oct 04, 2004 11:27 pm

RE: Q: TB-58A Hustler NLG Clearance

Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:10 pm

It was a rather complex mechanism, from what I remember, the strut had a joint in the middle - it would pivot forward, then the lower part would swing up and aft, clearing the pod, then the whole thing would pivot back into the gear bay.

Not sure if this gives you a better look at the gear, I may have a better view on the drive at home.
http://www.moose135photography.com/photos/224449709_DAdyq-L-1.jpg
KC-135 - Passing gas and taking names!
 
boacvc10
Posts: 469
Joined: Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:31 pm

RE: Q: TB-58A Hustler NLG Clearance

Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:19 pm



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):
The nose landing gear had a complicated retraction and extension cycle. But basicly the top of the gear moved aft, while the wheels moved up, and were stowed in the foreward section of the nose gear bay.

Thanks, that is about what I was wondering when I looked at that picture from a distance perspective, but thought it interesting enough to ask. For some reason, the picture of this very "sleek" and pointed airframe, wing, missiles, jet pods looks like a candidate for a 1950s sci-fi space plane subject... I wonder if it was the result of the designer being influence by any other aircraft, or did it influence later aircraft with its edges/positioning of the pods and engines (I"m talking design paradigm here).
Up, up and Away!
 
broke
Posts: 1299
Joined: Wed Apr 24, 2002 8:04 pm

RE: Q: TB-58A Hustler NLG Clearance

Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:09 pm

The National Museum of the USAF had a working model of the B-58A nose landing gear showing how the gear retracted. The model was on the desk at the entry into the Kettering/Cold war Gallery where the museum's B-58A is on display.

It wasn't there earlier this month and hopefully it is now.
 
f4wso
Posts: 942
Joined: Sun Oct 19, 2003 1:58 pm

RE: Q: TB-58A Hustler NLG Clearance

Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:54 am

I remember that working model from when I used to be a docent at the museum. It really helped explain the operation of the nose gear retraction to visitors.

Gary
Cottage Grove, MN
Seeking an honest week's pay for an honest day's work
 
fridgmus
Posts: 1296
Joined: Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:28 am

RE: Q: TB-58A Hustler NLG Clearance

Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:59 am

Does anybody know of any good websites profiling the B-58 Hustler? What a beautiful aircraft!
I'd also like to see some cockpit views.

Thanks,

F
The Lockheed Super Constellation, the REAL Queen of the Skies!
 
User avatar
kc135topboom
Posts: 10997
Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2005 2:26 am

RE: Q: TB-58A Hustler NLG Clearance

Wed Aug 26, 2009 1:12 pm



Quoting Fridgmus (Reply 6):
Does anybody know of any good websites profiling the B-58 Hustler? What a beautiful aircraft!
I'd also like to see some cockpit views.

Try this site, there are many others, too. Just type "B-58" into Google. This is the B-58 Association.

http://b58hustlerassn.net/
 
fridgmus
Posts: 1296
Joined: Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:28 am

RE: Q: TB-58A Hustler NLG Clearance

Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:34 am



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 7):

Thanks Very Much TopBoom!

Our internet out here leaves a lot to be desired and the less searching I have to do on it, the better!
The Lockheed Super Constellation, the REAL Queen of the Skies!
 
User avatar
kc135topboom
Posts: 10997
Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2005 2:26 am

RE: Q: TB-58A Hustler NLG Clearance

Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:59 pm



Quoting Fridgmus (Reply 8):
Our internet out here leaves a lot to be desired and the less searching I have to do on it, the better!

I didn't know that. I think many of us here on a.net can help provide links for you guys out there on the big beach.
 
GDB
Posts: 12652
Joined: Wed May 23, 2001 6:25 pm

RE: Q: TB-58A Hustler NLG Clearance

Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:25 pm

There is some stuff on You-Tube as well, I saw an entire documentary about the B-58 some time ago, might still be there if it has not bust some copyright.

Some shorter movies too though.
 
User avatar
VIflyer
Posts: 452
Joined: Wed May 26, 1999 2:29 pm

RE: Q: TB-58A Hustler NLG Clearance

Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:13 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq5QTpaa5wU

If you view at the 6:40 point u can get a good look at the retraction sequence.
I reject your reality and subsitute my own
 
fridgmus
Posts: 1296
Joined: Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:28 am

RE: Q: TB-58A Hustler NLG Clearance

Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:37 pm



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 9):
I didn't know that. I think many of us here on a.net can help provide links for you guys out there on the big beach.

Many thanks TopBoom!  bigthumbsup 

Our bandwidth is very small with no improvements in sight. Not to mention everything shuts down when we get one of our world famous dust storms! Sometimes our download speeds have averaged in single digit kilobytes! And a few times in bytes!

What I wouldn't give to have my old cable internet I had back in PA!

F
The Lockheed Super Constellation, the REAL Queen of the Skies!
 
Tiger119
Posts: 1593
Joined: Wed Sep 10, 2003 1:52 pm

RE: Q: TB-58A Hustler NLG Clearance

Sat Aug 29, 2009 5:21 am

I have been by Grissom a lot growing up but have never been up close to the static display. How does the crew enter and exit the aircraft?

David
Flying is the second greatest thrill known to mankind, landing is the first!
 
User avatar
Scooter01
Posts: 1183
Joined: Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:06 pm

RE: Q: TB-58A Hustler NLG Clearance

Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:28 am



Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 13):
How does the crew enter and exit the aircraft?

How's this?
http://i26.tinypic.com/105rzhc.jpg

and

http://i26.tinypic.com/25q6ws5.jpg

Scooter01  smile 
There is always a good reason to watch airplanes
 
User avatar
kc135topboom
Posts: 10997
Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2005 2:26 am

RE: Q: TB-58A Hustler NLG Clearance

Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:18 pm

The picture of the alert force brings back memerories. But, with the B-58 on alert, the crewchief would have to remove that big crew entry stand by himself.

When I pulled alert, we always parked the alert truck (a '59 Ford station wagon in the case of this B-58 crew) at the wing tips, so it did not have to be moved before we could taxi. So, this is a staged picture.

We also took our crew chief aboard the KC-135.

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 8 guests