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KC-135 Stratotanker Retires To AMC Museum

Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:58 am

Pretty sure this wasn't discussed or mentioned here, but back in early August 2009 one of the last KC-135E Stratotankers from McGuire AFB's 108th Air Refueling Wing flew its last flight to Dover AFB to become a part of the Air Mobility Command Museum's collection.

I was there to catch its arrival, and shot video of the entire event, as well as some other aircraft movements at Dover that day. You can view that video here.

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RE: KC-135 Stratotanker Retires To AMC Museum

Sun Sep 13, 2009 2:11 pm

There are now several KC-135A/Es in museums around the US. However, why doesnt the Muesum of the USAF, at Wright Patterson AFB, OH have one? They have most of the retired and former USAF types currently on display, including a B-2A. But they do not have one of these historic aircraft, they do have a EC-135N "hog nose" on display, but it is a long way from a KC-135 configueration. I believe they do have a KC-97, formerly a "G" model, but now is an "L" model with the J-47 engines.
 
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Sun Sep 13, 2009 2:43 pm



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):
There are now several KC-135A/Es in museums around the US. However, why doesnt the Muesum of the USAF, at Wright Patterson AFB, OH have one?

Not entirely true. NMUSAF technically owns all the museum aircraft on display at USAF bases across the country.

So this guy at McConnell is a NMUSAF asset....


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But I get your drift... Run of the mill, combat configured, KC-135s are woefully underrepresented. I suspect this is because it's still in demand elsewhere...

Maybe the Museum is waiting for a particular, historically significant, KC-135 to become available?
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Sun Sep 13, 2009 6:59 pm

Great video USAir, thanks for sharing.  Smile
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Sun Sep 13, 2009 7:32 pm



Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 2):
But I get your drift... Run of the mill, combat configured, KC-135s are woefully underrepresented. I suspect this is because it's still in demand elsewhere...

There are some 200 KC-135A/Es in flyable storage at DM and elsewhere around the US. Getting a KC-135A ready to fly to Dayton, OH, from AMARC would not be difficult or expensive.

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 2):
Not entirely true. NMUSAF technically owns all the museum aircraft on display at USAF bases across the country.

Correct, and there are KC-135As on display at MER, DYS, OFF, and elsewhere, now this KC-135E will be on display at DOV.
 
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Sun Sep 13, 2009 7:53 pm



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):
There are some 200 KC-135A/Es in flyable storage at DM and elsewhere around the US. Getting a KC-135A ready to fly to Dayton, OH, from AMARC would not be difficult or expensive.

Well then - I suspect they are waiting for the airframe they want vs getting a less significant airframe and having to dispose of it later when the one they really want becomes available.

They've had a similar problems in the past with the B-52B, B-1A, & F-15 Streak Eagle for example.

The B-2 they've got is a structural test item dressed up. Probably took it when it became available as I suspect it will be a long time before they get their hands on an operational B-2. But when they do get the operational B-2 the test airframe will be disposed of....
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Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:16 pm



Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 5):
Well then - I suspect they are waiting for the airframe they want vs getting a less significant airframe and having to dispose of it later when the one they really want becomes available.

They've had a similar problems in the past with the B-52B, B-1A, & F-15 Streak Eagle for example.

The B-2 they've got is a structural test item dressed up. Probably took it when it became available as I suspect it will be a long time before they get their hands on an operational B-2. But when they do get the operational B-2 the test airframe will be disposed of....

The B-17's that the NMUSAF have go through that with models being pushed out with a more historically important one put on display. I know the one they had flew into there from Dover with the Reserve sq putting it back together and flying it to WPAFB. I know of 2 B-17's going through referb now . A B model and the Memphis Bell.
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Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 6):
The B-17's that the NMUSAF have go through that with models being pushed out with a more historically important one put on display. I know the one they had flew into there from Dover with the Reserve sq putting it back together and flying it to WPAFB. I know of 2 B-17's going through referb now . A B model and the Memphis Bell.

I'd forgotten about the B-17 shuffle. I believe the B-17 they had before Shoo Shoo Shoo Baby went to a warbird operator.

Once the Memphis Belle restoration is done Shoo Shoo Shoo Baby will go to the Air & Space Museum. Then they'll start on the Swoose restoration.
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Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:53 am



Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 5):
Well then - I suspect they are waiting for the airframe they want vs getting a less significant airframe and having to dispose of it later when the one they really want becomes available.

That's what happened at Warner Robins AFB, they had a regular C-141, and ended up scrapping it when the last C-141 to be overhauled at WRAFB was retired. Always sad to see one get chopped up, but even moreso at a museum while it's sisters look on.

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RE: KC-135 Stratotanker Retires To AMC Museum

Fri Sep 18, 2009 7:15 pm

There is a KC-135E and a C-141B preserved at McGuire - I think they're along Texas Avenue?
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Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:05 pm

The 108th just moved a KC-135E over to one of the major intersections near the McGuire/Fort Dix gate as a monument. There's now a former 108th F-4, a former 305th/514th C-141 and now a former 108th KC-135E at this one intersection.
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Sun Sep 20, 2009 1:25 pm



Quoting USAir1489 (Reply 9):
There is a KC-135E and a C-141B preserved at McGuire - I think they're along Texas Avenue?



Quoting STT757 (Reply 10):
The 108th just moved a KC-135E over to one of the major intersections near the McGuire/Fort Dix gate as a monument. There's now a former 108th F-4, a former 305th/514th C-141 and now a former 108th KC-135E at this one intersection.

I believe that the KC-135E was the last "flyable" was the one that went to DOV. Any word on the tail number of that one, and the one now on display at McGuire?
 
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Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:07 pm



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 11):
Any word on the tail number of that one, and the one now on display at McGuire?

I'll get the tail number of the McGuire KC-135E on display next week, the 108th Ramp is pretty empty right now. They went from 18 KC-135Es and 2 C-32s to 8 KC-135Rs and 2 C-32s as a result of the KC-135E retirements.

By 2011 the 108th ramp will be full again as that's when 37 Navy/Marine Corps/ Army aircraft from Willow Grove and Johnstown PA move to McGuire AFB. The 108th will share their ramp with the Navy, so by 2011 the 108th Ramp will be home to 8 KC-135Rs, 2 C-32s, 4 C-9s, 4 C-130Ts and a Navy C-12. They just started building the Navy hangars last month, the Marine Corps hangars are well under way and should be finished by Spring.
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Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:20 pm



Quoting STT757 (Reply 12):
The 108th will share their ramp with the Navy, so by 2011 the 108th Ramp will be home to 8 KC-135Rs, 2 C-32s, 4 C-9s, 4 C-130Ts and a Navy C-12.

Do you know if the C-9s will be replaced by C-40As, and are the C-130Ts actually KC-130Ts?
 
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Mon Sep 21, 2009 1:36 am



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 13):
Do you know if the C-9s will be replaced by C-40As, and are the C-130Ts actually KC-130Ts?

I believe the 4 C-9s are to be replaced with 3 C-40s, and the C-130Ts are not tankers.

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Navy;
4 C-130T
4 C-9
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Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:50 am



Quoting STT757 (Reply 14):
I believe the 4 C-9s are to be replaced with 3 C-40s, and the C-130Ts are not tankers.

Subject to funding. Before I left the Navy last year, the next squadron to get the C-40 was VR-56 at NAS Oceana and they hadn't recieved any at that time. And VR-61(NAS Whidbey) was next after them starting in 2014, as per the funding schedule. VR-52 will most likely be the last C-9 unit to transition if they don't dissolve them into VR-64(C-130) which is a possiblilty.With the Democrats in control of governement, I see the C-9 community definately targeted for realignment cuts or be dissolved altogether. The C-130T's are not tankers, that is correct, but they are able to be converted rather easily should they be needed to moved over to the USMC and convert to KC-130's. There was talk about a year ago that the Navy Reserve possibly might join the USMC in the aerial-tanker role, but since I left the VR community, i'm out of the loop now.
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RE: KC-135 Stratotanker Retires To AMC Museum

Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:05 pm

The last KC-135E arrived at AMARC for storage on 23 Sept. 2009. She was tail number 56-3630. 74 KC-135Es and some 115 KC-135As are now in flyable storage.

I am still trying to find out the tail number of the KC-135E sent to DOV for the AMC Museum.
 
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Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:16 pm



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 16):
I am still trying to find out the tail number of the KC-135E sent to DOV for the AMC Museum.

Tail number is 57-1507; see photo caption for the photo at the beginning of this thread
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Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:46 pm



Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 17):
Tail number is 57-1507

Thanks. I' got to look to see if I have any time in her, when she was an "A" model. I don't think I have flown her as an "E".

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