AirRyan
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V-22 And F-35B Need "refrigerated" Landing Pads...

Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:12 pm

While we Marines knew this was a problem over ten years ago, when Osprey's visiting ships off the coast would set off the life rafts on the port side of the ship because they would melt the straps holding them in place.

Well, it looks like the cat is eventually finding its way out of the bag. I've stood right behind the yellow line on an LHD with a Harrier landing vertically and well, if the F-35B only expels more heat (which it does) than we've got a problem, especially for the new LHA-6 America class Marine Corps aircraft carriers who have dumped their well decks for more F-35B hangar space.

And this will certainly weigh into the issue between the USN and USMC over their aspirations for an all F-35B fleet - no way the USN is going to let F-35B's muck up their decks unless they can be catapulted and arrested like the other CATOBAR configured aircraft.

Let's face it, the MV-22 is best used like SPECOPS, in small numbers as opposed to trying to comprise the bulk of Marine Aviation in the Medium Lift category. The same for the F-35B, a great replacement for the AV-8B, but a poor replacement for the F/A-18.


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11...led_landing_pads_for_osprey_f_35b/

[Edited 2009-11-19 11:15:56]
 
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RE: V-22 And F-35B Need "refrigerated" Landing Pads...

Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:57 pm

Refrigerated is not really the right word. If you refrigerated the pads and got them cooler, the hot exhaust would probably buckle the deck even more. Heat sink would be a more appropriate term for what is needed.
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RE: V-22 And F-35B Need "refrigerated" Landing Pads...

Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:06 pm

Pipe water through the deck areas that get the worst heat. Porblem solved.
Just like the Navy's been doing on CV/CVNs since the afterburner became standard issue...
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RE: V-22 And F-35B Need "refrigerated" Landing Pads...

Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:47 am

The majority of the F-35B vertical lift comes from the ducted fan, which is cold air.

Another point, the USS Kearsarge CV-33 was the last wooden deck aircraft carrier in the USN. I think you are looking for a problem that doesn't exist.
 
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RE: V-22 And F-35B Need "refrigerated" Landing Pads...

Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:28 am



Quoting 474218 (Reply 3):

Another point, the USS Kearsarge CV-33 was the last wooden deck aircraft carrier in the USN. I think you are looking for a problem that doesn't exist.

This link seems to think otherwise... https://www.fbo.gov/utils/view?id=2edeadbf3996eebd7c51240c4db16f67
 
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RE: V-22 And F-35B Need "refrigerated" Landing Pads...

Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:41 am



Quoting BladeLWS (Reply 4):
This link seems to think otherwise... https://www.fbo.gov/utils/view?id=2edeadbf3996eebd7c51240c4db16f67

Link doesn't work. But I found it and read the report and didn't find anything about the USS Kearsarge?
 
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RE: V-22 And F-35B Need "refrigerated" Landing Pads...

Fri Nov 20, 2009 5:10 pm



Quoting 474218 (Reply 3):
I think you are looking for a problem that doesn't exist.

It is/was a problem with the Osprey, and could be a problem with the F-35.

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...ospacedaily&id=news/V22-050409.xml
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RE: V-22 And F-35B Need "refrigerated" Landing Pads...

Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:59 pm



Quoting 474218 (Reply 3):
The majority of the F-35B vertical lift comes from the ducted fan, which is cold air.

Not really about where the lift is coming from. The F-35 still directs its exhaust straight down, so unless its exhaust is expelled at a significantly lower temperature, the problem will exist.
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RE: V-22 And F-35B Need "refrigerated" Landing Pads...

Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:21 pm

You really think that scorching the paint off a flight deck is going to stop a war effort.

This isn't a big deal, just a more heat-proof coating is needed.

Just a chemistry problem.
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RE: V-22 And F-35B Need "refrigerated" Landing Pads...

Sat Nov 21, 2009 6:38 pm

Bit of trivia.
Did you know that Spanish AV-8A's operated off the decks of their first carrier, which was an ex US WW2 escort vessel, which had a wooden deck?

Wonder how many thought that was possible before the Spanish went ahead and did it?
 
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RE: V-22 And F-35B Need "refrigerated" Landing Pads...

Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:10 pm



Quoting AirRyan (Thread starter):
LHA-6 America class Marine Corps aircraft carriers who have dumped their well decks for more F-35B hangar space.

The Marines operate amphibs now?  Wink

Quoting GDB (Reply 9):
Did you know that Spanish AV-8A's operated off the decks of their first carrier, which was an ex US WW2 escort vessel, which had a wooden deck?

Formerly the USS Cabot CVL-28, with a smaller flight deck than current USN Wasp class LHD's. She was quick though, 32 knots. Unlike the CVE's the CVL's were capable of staying with the fast carriers.
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RE: V-22 And F-35B Need "refrigerated" Landing Pads...

Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:45 am



Quoting JarheadK5 (Reply 6):
It is/was a problem with the Osprey, and could be a problem with the F-35.

It's definitely an issue, folks.

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs...6afd6b-9176-4003-8ea6-08049291946b


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