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P-8A Status?

Sun Feb 07, 2010 11:07 pm

The first two aircraft flew last year, T2 just got a new radar (Boeing site news).. and a new torpedo for this application was announced at the Singapore Airshow (Flightglobal report). However there seems to be nothing on the web about the flight test status of these planes.

Is anybody following them?
 
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Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:38 am

I have no clue about the schedule of test flights or it's progress, but I saw it out on the ramp at Boeing Field yesterday on my approach to SEA from the jumpseat in a 737. I saw it next to a 787. I suppose if it's out there, it must be getting close to flying.
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Sun Feb 14, 2010 4:13 am

So, I may have seen the wrong thing when I came in last weekend. I thought I saw the P-8, but I believe it would have had to fly from Renton to BFI in order to be there. I was at the Museum of Flight today, and saw 2 Turkish Air Force 737s there, so maybe these are the grey a/c I saw.
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Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:09 am

The first P-8A is inside the BCA flight test hangar at Boeing field. It was out on the commercial airplanes flightline earlier last week with flight test instruments on the tail. It flew four or five times in October using the callsign "SCORE 85," but hasn't flown since.

The second and third (airworthy) P-8A's are inside the developmental centere hangar across the street from the Boeing military ramp. Both the second and third planes haven't flown since their first flights, which were in June and September, respectively. Currently, there are no airworthy P-8A's being assembled at Renton.
 
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Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:15 pm

Quoting flybaurLAX (Reply 2):
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I don't see a USN P-8A in the pisture, or the Turkish AF B-737-AEW aircraft. That is a picture of the RAAF B-737-AEW-Wedgetail. It is carrying the FAA reg. N35BBJ, which I think is Wedgetail airplane #5. I don't recall this airplane flying yet, either.

Quoting Drewski2112 (Reply 3):
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Both Boeing and the USN have been pretty quite about the P-8A flight test schedule. So, it is hard to say if the program is on schedule, or not.

But, I believe you are right, no P-8A has flown in several months now, and #2 and #3 have yet to fly their FF.
 
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Sun Feb 14, 2010 3:48 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):
#2 and #3 have yet to fly their FF.

I think you missed this:

Quoting Drewski2112 (Reply 3):
Both the second and third planes haven't flown since their first flights, which were in June and September, respectively.

And if the A/C are at Boeing Field instead of Renton they had to fly at least once, no?
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Sun Feb 14, 2010 4:20 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 5):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):
#2 and #3 have yet to fly their FF.

I think you missed this:

Quoting Drewski2112 (Reply 3):
Both the second and third planes haven't flown since their first flights, which were in June and September, respectively.

And if the A/C are at Boeing Field instead of Renton they had to fly at least once, no?

Thanks, I did miss that, sorry.         
 
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Sun Feb 14, 2010 9:26 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):
I don't see a USN P-8A in the pisture, or the Turkish AF B-737-AEW aircraft. That is a picture of the RAAF B-737-AEW-Wedgetail. It is carrying the FAA reg. N35BBJ, which I think is Wedgetail airplane #5. I don't recall this airplane flying yet, either.

Gotchya, there was the one (pictured), that I see now says RAAF, but there was one to the right of it yesterday that said Turkish Air Force. I didn't see these guys last weekend when I flew overhead jumpseating, but did see a darker grey, so possibly that was the P-8.
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Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:45 pm

Quoting Drewski2112 (Reply 3):
The first P-8A is inside the BCA flight test hangar at Boeing field. It was out on the commercial airplanes flightline earlier last week with flight test instruments on the tail. It flew four or five times in October using the callsign "SCORE 85," but hasn't flown since.

The second and third (airworthy) P-8A's are inside the developmental centere hangar across the street from the Boeing military ramp. Both the second and third planes haven't flown since their first flights, which were in June and September, respectively. Currently, there are no airworthy P-8A's being assembled at Renton

thanks.. that's more than I could get from my ME contacts at Boeing..

Quoting flybaurLAX (Reply 7):
Gotchya, there was the one (pictured), that I see now says RAAF, but there was one to the right of it yesterday that said Turkish Air Force. I didn't see these guys last weekend when I flew overhead jumpseating, but did see a darker grey, so possibly that was the P-8.

The RAAF is an Australian Wedgetail... P-8's dont have that dorsal fin

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Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:45 pm

Apparently the USN P-8A #1 just completed a month long vibration test of the wing mounted weapons stores.

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1077

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Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:16 pm

YP003 (P-8A T2) was towed across East Marginal Way to the Boeing military ramp at 0400 PST this morning. I didn't see any noticeable external modifications from when I last saw it in June.
 
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Tue Mar 02, 2010 3:54 am

Quoting kanban (Reply 8):
The RAAF is an Australian Wedgetail... P-8's dont have that dorsal fin

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Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:06 am

Does anyone have a pic of the actual radar that's being fitted on the P8? not the radar dome but the naked radar itself. Thanks.
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Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:29 pm

Quoting flybaurLAX (Reply 2):
So, I may have seen the wrong thing when I came in last weekend. I thought I saw the P-8, but I believe it would have had to fly from Renton to BFI in order to be there. I was at the Museum of Flight today, and saw 2 Turkish Air Force 737s there, so maybe these are the grey a/c I saw.

Yes there are some Turkish 737s but I think they are for VIP transport or something.
The 737 in the pic is the RAAF (Australian) Wedgetail... its an AWACS/Over the horizon radar type platform.
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Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:51 pm

In early Feb T-1 was outside at the North end of Boeing Field for about 12 hours. You probobly saw that one. It went immediatly back inside the big Boeing hangar at the North end of the field. A really close look would have revealed its underwing surprises.

P8A radar is APY-10.

This week T-1 and T-2 both relocated to the Military Flight Center and are basking outdoors there right now. They are side by side in stalls at the Military Flight Center.
One more (T-3) lurks close by, waiting for its oppurtunity to escape the build hangar. The 2 static test (S-1, S-2) birds are safely in their steel fixtures in Renton. There was a recent successful mile stone of 150 percent load.

Along side the 2 P8As at the South end, there is 1 Austrailian AEWC (Wedgetail) and 1 Turkish AEWC (Peace Eagle) in residence and both are flying regularly. There are occaisional visits of targets visiting the MFC ramp to support the AEWC testing. There are 5 additional Wedgetails currently in Austrailia, and 3 additional Peace Eagles in Turkey.

Of course there is the resident E3 AWACS that flys regularly, and the 757 flying test bed flying regularly.

The P8 is on schedule, and will have 3 full up models in flight testing shortly.

Ironicly since the P8s have moved outdoors, the P3 Orion training traffic at Boeing field has increased dramaticly. The Navy bubbas trying to glimpse the future, ya know.
 
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Fri Apr 02, 2010 5:01 am

Heard T-1 Flew today (Apr 1) no joke.
 
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Sat Apr 03, 2010 1:25 am

Quoting kanban (Reply 15):

Sure did. Left at 1600 with N416X and returned back to BFI at 1800. Terrible weather for both takeoff and landing. Here's my pic from yesterday:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/smartjunco/4483334680/

I heard it might be flying again on Monday.
 
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Sat Apr 03, 2010 2:03 am

Quoting drewski2112 (Reply 16):
Sure did. Left at 1600 with N416X and returned back to BFI at 1800. Terrible weather for both takeoff and landing. Here's my pic from yesterday:


Good picture, thanks..are you going to upload it to the A.net photo file

Also heard the the a/c will head to Patuxent River by the end of the month for formal flight test
 
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Sat Apr 03, 2010 8:44 pm

It will be in PAX river within a week.
 
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Sat Apr 10, 2010 6:18 pm

After a failed attempt yesterday due to weather conditions (for some reason they don't like to fly through clouds), T-1 left at 0645 PDT today for NHK. They were only cleared up to FL230.
 
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Sun Apr 18, 2010 2:25 am

Quoting Drewski2112 (Reply 3):

I was up there last week (last Sat and Sun) and it was in fact out of the hanger. When my buddy and I were at the Museum it was parked facing to the north. It was completely surround with orange tape to prevent any un-welcomed guest. I didn't see much security, but I am sure it was there. Great looking wing on the P-8.
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Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:57 pm

Nice cutaway of the P-8A on Flightglobal.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?ItemID=33927
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Sat Jun 05, 2010 4:06 am

P-8A T-2 (cn 34396/2814) flew yesterday afternoon as "SCORE 97" on a BFI round robin. No chase planes like we saw with T-1's flights. This was T-2's first, and second ever, flight in literally a year (first flight was on 5 June 2009).

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Sat Jun 05, 2010 5:35 am

P8 no longer requires chase to fly. The ATC system can now handle P8 without chase. T1 is in Maryland, T2 going shortly, T3 in about a month. T4 is in Renton, on assy line 3.
 
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Fri Jun 11, 2010 3:16 pm

I am wondering if the success (so far) in the USN P-8A program actually reduces the risk on the proposed KC-767NG program?
 
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Fri Jun 11, 2010 5:20 pm

Quoting kanban (Reply 24):
here is a press update



Slight error with the report. T-2 took off and landed at Boeing Field. The take off from Renton was earlier in the year. T-4 airplane should be taking off from Renton for Boeing field pretty soon.

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Thu Jun 24, 2010 7:32 pm

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Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:33 pm

Quoting Eskimotail (Reply 14):
at the South end, there is 1 Austrailian AEWC (Wedgetail) and 1 Turkish AEWC (Peace Eagle)

Could one of those be by any chance this South Korean AF "Peace Eye" AEWC aircraft?.....

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.....as it suddenly made its appearance seemingly without press release or anyone noticing previously.

The timing is quite in step with the current situation regarding the sunk RoKN submarine.
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Sun Jul 04, 2010 3:29 pm

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 28):
Could one of those be by any chance this South Korean AF "Peace Eye" AEWC aircraft?.....

they are both Korean...note the Korean characters on he forward fuselage... and the aft logo is Korean
 
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Sun Jul 04, 2010 4:03 pm

Quoting kanban (Reply 29):
they are both Korean...note the Korean characters on he forward fuselage... and the aft logo is Korean

It's the same airplane - I knew - I put the photos together. I was referring to Reply 14's description of the apron scene and inquiring if something was overlooked, and one of the AWACS might actually be RoKAF 06(?) 700 (N735JS).
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Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:29 am

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 30):
It's the same airplane - I knew - I put the photos together. I was referring to Reply 14's description of the apron scene and inquiring if something was overlooked, and one of the AWACS might actually be RoKAF 06(?) 700 (N735JS).

sorry misread your question... I was over there late Feb and didn't see the Korean unit out on the field...
 
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Quoting kanban (Reply 31):
sorry misread your question.

No problem.  
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Wed Jul 07, 2010 2:16 am

I have discovered that that is the only Korean Wedgetail to be modified in Seattle, the rest will be done in Korea from kits.

it's strange with all the whoop-la that some military programs seem to get, both the P-8 and the wedgetail stay under the radar (no pun intended)
 
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Fri Jul 09, 2010 5:03 pm

Somewhat off topic but...

The hangar/simulator bay in Jacksonville is being built. Projected completion is about a year away.
 
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Fri Jul 09, 2010 6:50 pm

Has the USN announced basing plans for the 108 P-8As, besides JAX?
 
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Fri Jul 09, 2010 6:57 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 35):
Has the USN announced basing plans for the 108 P-8As, besides JAX?

Found this on the web
"From Defense Aerospace

P-8A Multi-Mission Maritime Aircraft Homebasing Announced
(Source: US Department of Defense; issued Jan. 02, 2009)

The Department of the Navy announced today its decision to provide facilities and functions to base five fleet squadrons of the P-8A Multi-Mission Maritime Aircraft (MMA) with a fleet replacement squadron (FRS) at Naval Air Station (NAS) Jacksonville, Fla., four fleet squadrons at NAS Whidbey Island, Wash., and three fleet squadrons at Marine Corps Base Hawaii Kaneohe Bay, Hawaii, with periodic squadron detachment operations at NAS North Island."

BTW, the interior of the P-8A looks pretty nice compared to the P-3 (age wear and tear not withstanding). And instead of a couple of fold up bunks for crew rest, you get a couple of lay flat seats. Don't know if they come with IFE.

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Thu Oct 07, 2010 10:16 pm

Boeing Commercial and Boeing Military have swapped some properties so the old Thompson site (previous life as 737 assembly and then propulsion division) will become the P-8 systems installation facility. Commercial got the Developmental Center and all the big autoclaves... will they make the 737 replacement fuselage there or components.

I think this closes the possibility of F-22 component manufacture.
 
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Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:04 pm

Quoting kanban (Reply 37):
Commercial got the Developmental Center and all the big autoclaves... will they make the 737 replacement fuselage there or components.

Don't forget the big fiber placed machines. Having taken over the DC and all the composite capabilities there, it would lead one to conclude that Boeing Commercial is leaning toward a composite fuselage for 737 and the DC will be where it is developed. There is not enough space there for rate production.

Quoting kanban (Reply 37):
will become the P-8 systems installation facility

T-4 will head over there soon.

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Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:20 pm

How do those who will fly/operate the new aircraft view the move from the P3C?.
 
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Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:20 pm

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 39):
How do those who will fly/operate the new aircraft view the move from the P3C?.

I've heard they love the test vehicles... , and we're hoping the Royal Navy and Nato will buy a few..
 
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Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:39 pm

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How do those who will fly/operate the new aircraft view the move from the P3C?

Well, they will get . . .

- a new lav
- a new galley
- lay flat crew rest seat instead of fold down cots
- large LCD screens  

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Sat Oct 09, 2010 5:03 pm

Can this a/c be refueled air-to-air ?

I hope the USAF buys also the Wedgetail 737
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Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:50 am

Quoting SHAQ (Reply 42):
Can this a/c be refueled air-to-air ?

Yes on recieving fuel as built right now, and conceptually eventually able to deliver fuel in the long term.

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 39):
How do those who will fly/operate the new aircraft view the move from the P3C?.

Test crews are ecstatic about it, they wish the SDD (system design and development) phase could be shrunk and get it in to the operational test and evaluation phase much sooner. Issues do exist, primarily with testing the mission profile which requires a 737 to do things nobody envisioned when the origional 737 design was put to paper, getting the bits and bites talking the same language in the mission system. Crew comfort is miles ahead of the P3, and the open architecture data systems allow mission, sensor, and weapons growth to occur with a data load rather than a complete redesign of the aircraft and consoles. T4 will be the first operational test unit, and as planned now will go to PAX River for operation by the 2 Navy test and evaluation squadrons for crew training and deveopment.

Recent anouncent of milestone "C" commits the Navy to two waves of LRIP (low rate initial production) production, with 7 airplanes per wave. LRIP 1 and 2 is where the first P8Is will appear. LRIP is where Boeing proves to the Navy that the production system can actually deliver the promised full rate.

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I hope the USAF buys also the Wedgetail 737

Imagine the Wedgetail MESA system on a P8. The article could support that with enough electricity and engineering investment
 
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Sun Oct 10, 2010 6:33 am

On the subject of the P-8, it appears that the Indians want to add to their order. The Indians are planning an additional 4 P-8i's through exercising of an option for $1 billion dollars US.
 
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Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:15 pm

Quoting Eskimotail (Reply 43):

Imagine the Wedgetail MESA system on a P8.


You would have to chose: Sonobuoy launchers/bomb bay or Mesa Radar. Both system will not fit in the back of the airplane.

Even if the Wedgetail can do what it was advertised to do, I heard that the US Air Force was not interested. I think the platform is too small. For a while, they were looking at a wide body aircraft to include both an airborne and ground search radar (E-10A plus a MESA type antenna on a non rotating disc). All of that was to be temporary anyway until the Air Force gets space based radar.

Boeing is pitching the P-8 variant with a ground search radar (similar to the Rivet Joint). Imagine a "Rivet Joint" aircraft with attack capability (bomb bay and wing pod)!

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Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:04 am

The fourth P-8A (cn 40594/3324) flew out of RNT today as BOE6A. This is the first production frame.

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Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:53 pm

Quoting Drewski2112 (Reply 46):
This is the first production frame.

Correction. This aircraft is T-4; still a test aircraft. The next two T-5 and T-6 will also be test aircraft.

The first production frame will be LRIP 1: Low Rate Initial Production 1

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Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:43 pm

Quoting Drewski2112 (Reply 46):
first production frame.

Further clarification: They call T4 a "production representative test vehicle", not quite "production".

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Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:57 pm

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 41):
Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 39):
How do those who will fly/operate the new aircraft view the move from the P3C?

Well, they will get . . .

- a new lav
- a new galley
- lay flat crew rest seat instead of fold down cots
- large LCD screens

bikerthai

And the pilots will get a logbook filled with 737 time, which will be damn nice thing to have if they are thinking about a nice post-military career with the airlines.
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