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Tate Britain (Harrier And Jaguar)

Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:28 pm

http://www.tate.org.uk/britain/exhib...missionseries/fionabanner2010/defa
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I read about this exhibition in The Times today.

Any id on the Sea Harrier FA2, the Jaguar is XZ118.

Also who owns these aircraft and what happens to them after the exhibition.
 
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RE: Tate Britain (Harrier And Jaguar)

Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:45 pm


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RE: Tate Britain (Harrier And Jaguar)

Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:22 pm

Saved me starting this thread!

More here;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment_and_arts/10434348.stm

I understand the artist is reticent about how much was paid for these struck off charge aircraft.

Rather stunning and I plan to see this installation.

Interesting to note the the Jaguar, XZ118, in the 1991 Gulf war, had a notorious character from Viz as nose art!
I remember seeing footage at the time on this and others like Tornado GR.1's and thinking have they really got Viz characters on the aircraft?
Such as 'The Fat Slags' and 'Johnny Fartparts', few US aircraft had nose art, those that were had well rendered patriotic designs like Eagles, (apparently there were restrictions on what they could do), while the RAF ground-crews took from their favourite reading material.

Others like the Victor tankers had more WW2 style ones with glamorous ladies.

More here including more pics on a slideshow;

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesi...0/jun/28/tate-britain-fiona-banner

[Edited 2010-06-29 12:29:36]

Another forum settles the history of these aircraft;

http://www.pprune.org/military-aircr...r-xz118-bae-sea-harrier-ze695.html


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RE: Tate Britain (Harrier And Jaguar)

Tue Jun 29, 2010 8:39 pm

Not one for modern art, but I found these pieces interesting. The polished Jaguar looks particularly stunning and the way it is displayed, lying on the floor, belly up is very strange. Everytime I see it, I just want to pick it up and put it the right way up. I presume triggering such a response is the sort of thing the artist is trying to achieve, challenging our perceptions of the normal?

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RE: Tate Britain (Harrier And Jaguar)

Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:18 am

Quoting GPHOTO (Reply 3):
Not one for modern art


I for one have hard time relating that to "art"?
 
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RE: Tate Britain (Harrier And Jaguar)

Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:03 am

Quoting 474218 (Reply 4):
I for one have hard time relating that to "art"?

Me too - I am more of a traditional paint and canvas or marble statue kind of person. Personally, I think the 20th Century was a bad one for art, I don't understand this modern stuff (that's me being polite, I'm usually known to use other phrases for this subject). But sometimes, rarely, a modern piece gets my interest and on this occasion the Jaguar does. It's about the drama of the positioning and the unusual finish - never seen a Jag looking like that before. It triggered two responses in me - one for the raw beauty of the polished airframe and one for the unnatural way it lies on the floor, making me want to right it. Modern art seems to be about evoking responses rather than displaying extreme technically ability with a brush or chisel, so I guess I responded the way the artist intended.

For a similar finish and dramatic pose, I also like this:


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except I don't want to put this one on th level - she's fine as she is.

If I had the space and money I would quite happily give this Jag a home in this finish - but I'd have to put it the right way round.

Best regards,

Jim

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RE: Tate Britain (Harrier And Jaguar)

Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:20 pm

Quoting 474218 (Reply 4):
I for one have hard time relating that to "art"?

Some of it takes liberties I agree, such as Tracy Emin's unmade bed.

Though I would certainly rate this display as art, if one function of art is to make the familiar different.

I rather fancy doing this!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesi...ner-tate-britain?picture=364321497

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RE: Tate Britain (Harrier And Jaguar)

Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:58 pm

Quoting GDB (Reply 6):
if one function of art is to make the familiar different.


Is that really a function of art?

I don't know as I did not do well in "art appreciation class" as my idea of art and the professors were 180 degree opposed.
 
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RE: Tate Britain (Harrier And Jaguar)

Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:22 pm

Quoting 474218 (Reply 7):
don't know as I did not do well in "art appreciation class" as my idea of art and the professors were 180 degree opposed.

I didn't even do art later in school, but clearly the artist here feels that is part of the inspiration behind this installation, I'll defer to the the one who has done it, rather than just teach about it.
Surely art is what you make it.
 
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RE: Tate Britain (Harrier And Jaguar)

Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:40 pm

I like the Cosford Lightning, it really could climb like that!!
 
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RE: Tate Britain (Harrier And Jaguar)

Sun Jul 04, 2010 8:25 pm

Vulcan XH558 did a turn with 90 degrees of bank at Waddington yesterday, now mounting a Vulcan that way would be cool. Also, the guy lying under the Sea Harrier nose, don't you just want to bang it hard and watch him jump..........
 
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RE: Tate Britain (Harrier And Jaguar)

Sun Aug 15, 2010 9:42 pm

I went to see this today. Not that i'm knowledgeable or enthusiastic about art in general, installation art in particular, .

It is quite an experience to see these two types on display the way they are, disconcerting almost in the case of the suspended Sea Harrier.

The Jaguar with it's highly polished surface (your reflection is fairly clear in it - is that a comment about the actual use of this machine in combat 'in our name?), looks for all that like a dead insect.
Both aircraft have been as expected, stripped out, the cockpits, engines as you'd expect, cannon on the Jaguar, engine nozzles on the Harrier.

There are information booklets in each gallery, including the history of both aircraft, the Jag's busy life, the truncated, mundane one of the Sea Harrier, damaged beyond economic repair in 2000.
Including a pic of the rude Viz character which the Jag had in the 1991 Gulf War.

For all the polished surface of the Jaguar, such close inspection does show well it's construction, compact, workmanlike, angular, never a 'sexy' aircraft, not an all singing all dancing all rounder, but effective and workmanlike in it's designed role.
The way the Harrier is displayed, makes it seen larger than all the times I've seen 1st Generation Harriers in static display at airshows, perhaps a result in part of the setting, the magnificent high ceiling gallery.

Worth a look, you do see the aircraft in a different light, whether it was the intention of the artist or not, the display does make these military aircraft seem more benign.
Both were, after all, aircraft cleared to carry WE-177 nuclear bombs, as well as the other weapons.
 
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RE: Tate Britain (Harrier And Jaguar)

Sun Aug 15, 2010 10:27 pm

Cough, cough, old news.   

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RE: Tate Britain (Harrier And Jaguar)

Mon Aug 16, 2010 7:02 pm

I didn't think it warranted a Trip Report, not when an existing thread is still running.
Plus I did say further up I intended to go and see it!
 
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RE: Tate Britain (Harrier And Jaguar)

Mon Aug 16, 2010 7:22 pm

Quoting GDB (Reply 13):
I didn't think it warranted a Trip Report, not when an existing thread is still running.
Plus I did say further up I intended to go and see it!

I enjoyed the report GDB, thanks for sharing!  
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