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CF-18 Fighter Jet Crash At Lethbridge, Alberta

Fri Jul 23, 2010 7:13 pm

Very preliminary report so far. Only news story I could find was this:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/sto...irshow-military-plane-alberta.html

Apparently the pilot was able to eject.
 
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RE: CF-18 Fighter Jet Crash At Lethbridge, Alberta

Fri Jul 23, 2010 7:52 pm

Pilot was practicing the cobra maneuver, there was a loud bang, pilot ejected and plane crashed right at the intersection of the runways.

Airport is closed until arrival of investigators from CFB Cold Lake.
 
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RE: CF-18 Fighter Jet Crash At Lethbridge, Alberta

Fri Jul 23, 2010 8:08 pm

Sounds like with where it came down, it may affect the entire airshow, and regular traffic for that matter! Any word on whether the show will continue?
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RE: CF-18 Fighter Jet Crash At Lethbridge, Alberta

Fri Jul 23, 2010 8:28 pm

I don't think any decision can be made until the Flight Safety and MOT investigators arrive.

Runway 12-30 is closed for static display 05-23 is blocked at the intersection.
 
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RE: CF-18 Fighter Jet Crash At Lethbridge, Alberta

Fri Jul 23, 2010 8:30 pm

I hope the pilot is uninjured.
 
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RE: CF-18 Fighter Jet Crash At Lethbridge, Alberta

Fri Jul 23, 2010 8:35 pm

From Airshowbuzz.com:

This is what we know...

Captain Brian "Boozer" Bews, the CF-18 Hornet demonstration pilot for the Canadian Forces, was performing a high alpha pass when the aircraft began to yaw right. At low speed, low altitude, he knew he didn't have many options so ejected. He has been transported to a local hospital. Credible ICAS members report he was conscious and did not have any injuries beyond lower back pain.


Owww too bad. Engine failure perhaps?
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RE: CF-18 Fighter Jet Crash At Lethbridge, Alberta

Fri Jul 23, 2010 9:05 pm

Glad the pilot is okay and nobody on the ground was injured. Is this the gorgeously-painted Hornet? The CBC article refers to it being an airshow special.
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RE: CF-18 Fighter Jet Crash At Lethbridge, Alberta

Fri Jul 23, 2010 9:13 pm

 
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RE: CF-18 Fighter Jet Crash At Lethbridge, Alberta

Fri Jul 23, 2010 9:30 pm

Quoting ScarletHarlot (Reply 6):
Is this the gorgeously-painted Hornet?

Yes it was, unfortunately.
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RE: CF-18 Fighter Jet Crash At Lethbridge, Alberta

Fri Jul 23, 2010 10:29 pm

 
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RE: CF-18 Fighter Jet Crash At Lethbridge, Alberta

Fri Jul 23, 2010 10:45 pm

Quoting CYQL (Reply 9):
Actual video of crash and crash site.

What irony of the music playing as the plane crashed...Stayin' Alive. Glad the pilot did. That was very scary.
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RE: CF-18 Fighter Jet Crash At Lethbridge, Alberta

Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:24 pm

Glad to hear "Boozer" is alright - heard elsewhere that he has already been released from the hospital, but don't have confirmation on that.

I got to meet him, and see him perform, at FRG during the Jones Beach Air Show over Memorial Day weekend. Really nice guy, and a great stick. He knew we were shooting from the old control tower next to the runway, so he put on a good show for us...

http://www.moose135photography.com/Airplanes/Air-Shows/Jones-Beach-Air-Show-2010/JM20100530FRGAirshow009/884031074_3znSW-L.jpg

http://www.moose135photography.com/Airplanes/Air-Shows/Jones-Beach-Air-Show-2010/JM20100530FRGAirshow004/884030626_gDbkT-L.jpg

And after returning from the beach:
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RE: CF-18 Fighter Jet Crash At Lethbridge, Alberta

Sat Jul 24, 2010 4:31 am

Nice pictures Moose135.

Investigators from Cold Lake arrived in a CH-146 Griffon.

Runway was reopened about 1800 local.

Airshow is a go, but no CF-18 flight.

C-17 arrived about 2130.
 
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RE: CF-18 Fighter Jet Crash At Lethbridge, Alberta

Sat Jul 24, 2010 4:42 am

Some more amazing pictures of the crash as it happened. I'll post the link since i am not familar with the rules regarding posting pics.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...-in-alberta/article1649943/#photos
You will need to click on the photo tab

[Edited 2010-07-23 21:44:56]
 
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RE: CF-18 Fighter Jet Crash At Lethbridge, Alberta

Sat Jul 24, 2010 5:50 am

The reason there are so many good photo's and video's of the crash is because it happened during a press photo op hosted by the airshow comittee.

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RE: CF-18 Fighter Jet Crash At Lethbridge, Alberta

Sat Jul 24, 2010 6:17 am

Quoting yfbflyer (Reply 13):
Some more amazing pictures of the crash as it happened. I'll post the link since i am not familar with the rules regarding posting pics.

You did it correctly.

Glad the pilot and all on the ground are ok. That's always the most important thing.

In the first picture of that series (1 of 7) you can see that the engine exhaust nozzles are in different configurations, one seems fully open, the other in it's most closed position. Indicative of engine problem? Losing power in a high alpha pass is no fun.

It wasn't possible to pick up any change in engine noise from the video because the Gibb brothers were singing away, though the double bangs of the canopy being jettisoned and the ejector seat firing are clearly audible.

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RE: CF-18 Fighter Jet Crash At Lethbridge, Alberta

Sat Jul 24, 2010 1:20 pm

Looking at those pictures it appears that the right engine was not putting out any thrust or flamed out as well. At initial impact the left engine was still turning with the huge fire ball coming out the exhaust. I'm wondering if this F-18 has the 80 secend inverted fuel pump like the Blue Angel birds do. Standard F-18's have 10 sec's of inverted ops with the fuel pump.
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RE: CF-18 Fighter Jet Crash At Lethbridge, Alberta

Sat Jul 24, 2010 1:41 pm

Very spectacular. What ejection seat do they use? It seems the guys who developed it deserve a beer.
 
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RE: CF-18 Fighter Jet Crash At Lethbridge, Alberta

Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:47 pm

Quoting GPHOTO (Reply 15):
In the first picture of that series (1 of 7) you can see that the engine exhaust nozzles are in different configurations, one seems fully open, the other in it's most closed position. Indicative of engine problem? Losing power in a high alpha pass is no fun.

Another possibility was that to recover from slow speed manuevers he lit burners but the rt one stayed at dry thrust which is 11000 LBF compared to 17700 lbf in augmentation on the left side which the Full Authority Digital Engine Control (FADEC) system did not have the airspeed over the wing to recover from it, if you look at the impact picture you see the torch out the left engine, maybe thats the ab still lit with no airflow causing that with fuel just being dumped into the ab section Engine problems at high angle of attack equals a bad day.
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RE: CF-18 Fighter Jet Crash At Lethbridge, Alberta

Sat Jul 24, 2010 4:13 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 17):
What ejection seat do they use?

Martin Baker Mk.10S

http://www.ejection-history.org.uk/A...aft_by_Type/CF-18/cf_18_hornet.htm
 
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RE: CF-18 Fighter Jet Crash At Lethbridge, Alberta

Sat Jul 24, 2010 7:46 pm

Yeah when I first saw this posted on another forum the first thing I thought was that the #2 engine probably quit during the Hi Alpha pass. Looks like he tried full left rudder but to no avail and punched out. Thankfully he is okay.
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RE: CF-18 Fighter Jet Crash At Lethbridge, Alberta

Sat Jul 24, 2010 8:39 pm

Quoting GPHOTO (Reply 15):
In the first picture of that series (1 of 7) you can see that the engine exhaust nozzles are in different configurations, one seems fully open, the other in it's most closed position. Indicative of engine problem? Losing power in a high alpha pass is no fun.

The nozzles dilate from open at idle to closed at MIL and then they open again in burner.

From the video the roll to the right is indicative of asymmetric thrust, my moneys on a burner blowout. Regardless of the cause a low altitude, high alpha pass on one engine will result in a fairly displeasing landing for both pilot and aircraft. Good to see he got out, albeit somewhat shorter.
 
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RE: CF-18 Fighter Jet Crash At Lethbridge, Alberta

Sun Jul 25, 2010 12:04 am

So glad to hear Boozer got out. I met him at Jones Beach this year and he definitely was a great guy to talk to and shoot the breeze with. Here's his demos from that show along with one of my favorite CF-18 videos...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zril_JB5NI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnscqDlkfqo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UlyWtGPjaM
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RE: CF-18 Fighter Jet Crash At Lethbridge, Alberta

Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:40 pm

Are we suspecting that he commanded AB but the right one failed to light (closed nozzle) while the left one came on (open nozzle) therefore flipping the plane over.
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RE: CF-18 Fighter Jet Crash At Lethbridge, Alberta

Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:15 pm

Quoting Stratofortress (Reply 23):
Are we suspecting that he commanded AB but the right one failed to light (closed nozzle) while the left one came on (open nozzle) therefore flipping the plane over.

Some people are. I disagree, I think he simply was doing the Hi Alpha pass, lost power on the #2 engine, the plane immediately started an uncommanded right roll, you can see him using full left rudder (to no avail) on some videos of the crash, he then punches out.

Now he may have firewalled both throttles when this started happening but I have not seen any burner coming out of the #1 engine so it may have not had time or he may have not wanted to exascerbate the already very asymetrical thrust situation.

Just my opinion.
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RE: CF-18 Fighter Jet Crash At Lethbridge, Alberta

Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:49 am

http://www.lethbridgeherald.com/content/view/213455/110/

Airshow attendance up ten percent.

Boomer still in hospital, but due for release soon.

The Martin Baker fan club has a new member.
 
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RE: CF-18 Fighter Jet Crash At Lethbridge, Alberta

Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:36 pm

Quoting CYQL (Reply 26):
The Martin Baker fan club has a new member.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/sto...-bews-pilot-statement-alberta.html

"Martin Baker is my new best friend!" said Capt. Brian Bews

He has compression fractures in three vertabrae but should make a full recovery. Excellent!
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RE: CF-18 Fighter Jet Crash At Lethbridge, Alberta

Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:04 am

Driving home today I noticed that the wreckage has been picked up, and probably transported back to Cold Lake.

I am sure the investigation is centered on the R/H engine.
 
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RE: CF-18 Fighter Jet Crash At Lethbridge, Alberta

Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:22 pm

Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 24):
Some people are. I disagree, I think he simply was doing the Hi Alpha pass, lost power on the #2 engine, the plane immediately started an uncommanded right roll, you can see him using full left rudder (to no avail) on some videos of the crash, he then punches out.

Now he may have firewalled both throttles when this started happening but I have not seen any burner coming out of the #1 engine so it may have not had time or he may have not wanted to exascerbate the already very asymetrical thrust situation.

Just my opinion.

I have to agree; I think the number 2 engine malfunctioned and when the plane hit the ground it FODed out the #1 engine causing the flames to shoot out the back end like it did. Glad the pilot is okay considering how low to the ground he was.
 
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RE: CF-18 Fighter Jet Crash At Lethbridge, Alberta

Tue Aug 03, 2010 12:09 pm

Quoting CYQL (Reply 1):
Pilot was practicing the cobra maneuver

Sorry for my ignorance, but I didn't know any model of the F18 could do a Pugachev Cobra. I know it has thrust vectoring but the thing about the Cobra is the intake at low speed & high A of A.

I know the F22 and some experimental F15 & F16 can do it. But was totally unaware an F18 could do it too. Learnt something new here. Thanks.

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RE: CF-18 Fighter Jet Crash At Lethbridge, Alberta

Tue Aug 03, 2010 5:18 pm

Quoting muhamed (Reply 30):
Sorry for my ignorance, but I didn't know any model of the F18 could do a Pugachev Cobra. I know it has thrust vectoring but the thing about the Cobra is the intake at low speed & high A of A.

I know the F22 and some experimental F15 & F16 can do it. But was totally unaware an F18 could do it too. Learnt something new here. Thanks.

That poster was completely wrong, the F-18 can not do a Pugachev Cobra. Patently false statement. And no aircraft that can do it enters it that low and slow... its done at altitude with a decent amount of speed when entering the maneuver.

The F-18 cannot do the Cobra.
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RE: CF-18 Fighter Jet Crash At Lethbridge, Alberta

Tue Aug 03, 2010 7:16 pm

Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 31):
That poster was completely wrong, the F-18 can not do a Pugachev Cobra. Patently false statement. And no aircraft that can do it enters it that low and slow... its done at altitude with a decent amount of speed when entering the maneuver.

The F-18 cannot do the Cobra.
Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 31):

Sorry for my ignorance, but I mistakenly associated the high alpha maneuver with the cobra.

Looks like they cancelled the CF-18 demo for the rest of the season.

http://www.calgarysun.com/news/alberta/2010/07/31/14886666.html
 
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RE: CF-18 Fighter Jet Crash At Lethbridge, Alberta

Tue Aug 03, 2010 7:22 pm

The pictures look absolutely stunning and I'm glad to hear the pilot is okay

Quoting muhamed (Reply 30):
I know the F22 and some experimental F15 & F16 can do it. But was totally unaware an F18 could do it too. Learnt something new here. Thanks.

The Saab Draken can do a swedish cobra, go to 1:50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqiDEcfSnXs
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RE: CF-18 Fighter Jet Crash At Lethbridge, Alberta

Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:24 pm

Quoting Larshjort (Reply 33):
The Saab Draken can do a swedish cobra

IMHO the Draken was one of the greatest and underestimated fighters ever to fly, that thing was dreamt up in the late 40's and it still looks futuristic today!!!!

BTW, the F14 could do a form of the Cobra too but neither the Draken nor F14 appear to have anything near the control authority the Su/Mig have.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lVvfSQGqoc

It's one of the first 12 developmental aircraft doing it but as HaveBlue said only at altitude and with speed. IIRC it needed a hell of a lot of room to get everything back in shape after high AoA maneuvering.

I thought the F18 has the nose authority to do the Cobra but that it was written out of the ops manual as any tactical benefit it might have is nowhere near worth the risk of departing.
 
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RE: CF-18 Fighter Jet Crash At Lethbridge, Alberta

Wed Aug 04, 2010 7:39 am

I see, so the F18 cannot do a cobra. I was wondering how it could do it looking at the engine build. Thanks for the update.
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RE: CF-18 Fighter Jet Crash At Lethbridge, Alberta

Wed Aug 04, 2010 9:38 am

Quoting muhamed (Reply 35):
I see, so the F18 cannot do a cobra. I was wondering how it could do it looking at the engine build. Thanks for the update

I think the F18 is physically capable of doing a high alpha cobra type manoeuvre, the YF-17 certainly was and performed it many times long before Pugachev ever did. What I meant above is that the recovery from the manoeuvre in the F18 is too marginal to be worth the risk to the crew and plane. I believe the F18 is operationally limited to around 55deg AoA. A standard F16 is ertainly not capable of doing it, I believe it is limited to around 26deg AoA.

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