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Antonov An-70 Rising From The Grave.

Thu Aug 05, 2010 2:15 pm

It seems the AN-70 will have a future afterall.

Good, it would have been an enormous waste of energy and talent to see a great design fade away..

Antonov and the Russians are modifying it with a new glass cockpit and systems.



Even russian government controlled Pravda says so.

Military transport aviation is given special attention, and 80 aircrafts will be purchased from Ukraine, including 20 AN-124 Ruslan and 60 aircrafts AN-70 of Ukrainian origin.

http://english.pravda.ru/russia/econ.../114313-strategic_nuclear_forces-0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7TV9uzm_LY
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RE: Antonov An-70 Rising From The Grave.

Thu Aug 05, 2010 2:36 pm

Finally. If there's an aircraft that deserves a brighter future, it's this one.
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RE: Antonov An-70 Rising From The Grave.

Thu Aug 05, 2010 3:37 pm

Good news for the An-70. At a cost of about $70M USD, and a 47 tonne cargo capability (3600 nm range with 20 tonnes) this is a great aircraft.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An-70
 
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RE: Antonov An-70 Rising From The Grave.

Fri Aug 06, 2010 12:02 am

In the west noise would be an issue I guess..

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=9d4oeWLq1to&vq=large
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RE: Antonov An-70 Rising From The Grave.

Fri Aug 06, 2010 12:16 am

Quoting keesje (Reply 3):
In the west noise would be an issue I guess..

Sounds like a big old diesel truck being run wide open. Hooray Soviet engineering! We make sky truck sound like regular truck.
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RE: Antonov An-70 Rising From The Grave.

Fri Aug 06, 2010 1:02 am

I like this plane. I think it has a lot of potential for sales. There are a lot of countries that want heavy lift but can't afford one of the costlier alternatives. There may be some companies that will want it too.
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RE: Antonov An-70 Rising From The Grave.

Fri Aug 06, 2010 8:01 am

I didn't notice any excessive noise at MAPS airshow.
We hardly can measure noise level by yourtube stuff.

The issue with AN-70 didn't relate to the aircraft itself.
It was the issue of RUS-Ukrainian relations.
Russian AF agreed to get it if only all documentation is in Russia and most aircraft get manufactured in Russia.
For years it could not resolved until recently. A joint venture was established. Thus, both countries have all documentation.

RUS Air Force actually tried to lobby redesigned IL-76.
But I am sure that AN-70 is a much better option.

"Pravda" newspaper/Web-site has nothing to do with Russian authorities these days.
It's one of many opposition sources.
 
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RE: Antonov An-70 Rising From The Grave.

Fri Aug 06, 2010 11:46 pm

And the US Aerospace tanker bid appears to be an AN-70 re-engined with CF-6 or similar turbo-fans. Step up to GE Nex Gen engines and you might have a pretty unbeatable comibination. OOps my bad the AF rejected them because they ended up 5 minutes late due to the guard at the gate. This kind of thing just keep erroding my confidence in our government and in turn the military. Buerocrats rule, common sense is obsolete. I hope the GAO rules this one should be in the pool. I personnal don't care which one gets picked but if you want a competive process the have one!
 
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RE: Antonov An-70 Rising From The Grave.

Sat Aug 07, 2010 2:41 am

Quoting CMB56 (Reply 7):

Antonov had plenty of time to come up with a proposal. This has been going on for the better part of a decade. It's not like this has been kept a secret. At any point, they could have piped in but they chose to wait until the last minute. At some point a deadline has to be adhered to otherwise this soap opera will never end.
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RE: Antonov An-70 Rising From The Grave.

Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:31 am

I doubt that Ukraine has the production capacity to build more than a few a year. So they will have to work with one of our facilities even if they don't like it. Look at the An-148 for example, they cound only get production off the ground when they transferred production to Voronezh. An-124 is produced in Ulyanovsk anyways, so there is no issue with that plane in regards of politics.
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RE: Antonov An-70 Rising From The Grave.

Sat Aug 14, 2010 10:58 am

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 6):
"Pravda" newspaper/Web-site has nothing to do with Russian authorities these days.
It's one of many opposition sources.
Quoting tu204 (Reply 9):
so there is no issue with that plane in regards of politics.

So they do publish some news these days?? When i lived in moscow they used say there was no izvestia in pravda and no pravda in izvestia 

Has there been any reporting in Russia if this has been decided specifically to prop up Yanukovich ? as in keep us happy and we'll send orders your way - vote for Timoshenko and we'll cut off your gas? also how does that square up with this article below?

Russia is moving to reduce reliance on the Ukraine for defense industrial work
http://georgiandaily.com/index.php?o...ntent&task=view&id=19622&Itemid=65
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RE: Antonov An-70 Rising From The Grave.

Sun Aug 15, 2010 7:38 am

To reduce reliance? We need reliance.

This country with population of 145 mln. somehow manages to design and manufacture EVERYTHING for the army: from soldiers belts and boots - and all the way to its own GPS (GLONAS) system.
What Russia badly needs is exactly to cooperate.
Another question is - with who?
Here we can easily bogged down in geopolitics.
But buying French fregates is a good step forward.
 
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RE: Antonov An-70 Rising From The Grave.

Sun Aug 15, 2010 1:21 pm

Quoting CMB56 (Reply 7):
the US Aerospace tanker bid appears to be an AN-70 re-engined with CF-6 or similar turbo-fans. Step up to GE Nex Gen engines and you might have a pretty unbeatable comibination. OOps my bad the AF rejected them because they ended up 5 minutes late due to the guard at the gate.

The An-112 would essentially be a new design, going from 4 counter-rotating turbo-props to 2 hi-bypass turbo-jet engines of some modern design. Unlike the KC-767 or A-330MRTT there are no similarly remotely designed sister aircraft.

It was not the USAF gate guard that delayed the USAE bid, it was the courier service that did not have the proper documentation to get on the base, or know where they needed to go once on base. This was professional incompetence on the part of USAE.
 
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RE: Antonov An-70 Rising From The Grave.

Sun Aug 15, 2010 4:05 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 12):
It was not the USAF gate guard that delayed the USAE bid, it was the courier service that did not have the proper documentation to get on the base, or know where they needed to go once on base. This was professional incompetence on the part of USAE.

I would agree. I've worked in a procurement environment before, and one of my jobs is to sign off on closing of bid submissions. The method we used to close bid submissions is on a form, write down the bid number, the bidders, and the time a bid was received before the cut off time. After bid submission was closed, I crossed out any remaining spots and signed off that bid submission was closed, followed by a co-signer, no exceptions unless there was an unforeseen act of god. After that, all of the bids are sealed in a box and is delivered by two people to the bid evaluators who lock up the bids under dual lock and key in a bid evaluation room, where documents regarding the competition are not allowed out until the competition was finished.

Other than that, we also only extended bid tenders if the general consensus is that bidders needed the extra time to work on the bid, which is usually agreed upon by all of the bidders that are identified earlier through a solicitation of interest and the bid evaluation team.

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