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Eurofighter Crash In Spain

Tue Aug 24, 2010 1:59 pm

Unfortunately one of the pilots, a Saudi Lte. Coronel, died in that accident, happened this morning close to Morón, in Spain, few minutes after taking off.

It is the second crash of an Eurofighter in Spain, the first one was the prototype DA6 on Nov 2002.

RIP

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RE: Eurofighter Crash In Spain

Tue Aug 24, 2010 2:30 pm

RIP, my friend and brother.
 
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RE: Eurofighter Crash In Spain

Tue Aug 24, 2010 3:56 pm

May he rest in peace.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-eurofighter-crashes-in-spain.html

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"It was being piloted under dual control by a lieutenant colonel from the Saudi Arabian air force, who was killed, and a Spanish air force commander, who ejected before the crash.

The ministry says the Spanish pilot is 'well' and required only a 'basic' level of medical attention."
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RE: Eurofighter Crash In Spain

Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:44 pm

Quoting jmrebes (Thread starter):
It is the second crash of an Eurofighter in Spain, the first one was the prototype DA6 on Nov 2002.

However this is the first fatality from a Typhoon crash.
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RE: Eurofighter Crash In Spain

Tue Aug 24, 2010 6:07 pm

I've always thought that when one crew member ejects, the other ejection seat(s) are also automatically activated. Might this be dependant upon aircraft type or is it a setting you can configure individually?
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RE: Eurofighter Crash In Spain

Tue Aug 24, 2010 6:40 pm

Jose can you find out the serial of the crashed plane?

Thanks
 
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RE: Eurofighter Crash In Spain

Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:07 pm

Quoting A342 (Reply 4):
I've always thought that when one crew member ejects, the other ejection seat(s) are also automatically activated. Might this be dependant upon aircraft type or is it a setting you can configure individually?

There is usually a fraction of a second difference in ejection seat firing sequences in order to avoid any adverse affects between the two seats being hurtled out of the cockpit.

An interesting read on a situation that resulted in one pilot surviving the ejection process while the other pilot perished is the crash of a USN F-14 in 1994, which resulted in the death of the USN's first female combat pilot:

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First in the automated ejection sequence, the RIO survived. However, by the time Hultgreen's seat fired 0.4s later, the plane had rolled past the horizontal, and she was ejected downward into the water. She was killed instantly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kara_Hultgreen

Back on topic, we don't know what resulted in the pilot's death on this mishap. Simply put, it may have been something unrelated to the ejection sequence. Pilots have died as a result of the ejection itself. We'll have to await further investigation results.

[Edited 2010-08-24 12:08:18]
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RE: Eurofighter Crash In Spain

Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:30 pm

Quoting A342 (Reply 4):
I've always thought that when one crew member ejects, the other ejection seat(s) are also automatically activated. Might this be dependant upon aircraft type or is it a setting you can configure individually?

I don't know if it applies to all aircraft, but I know for sure that some aircraft you can punch out individually. The F-14 being one of them. In one case an F-14 was giving a familirization flight to someone in the back seat, and that person accidentally ejected. The pilot flew back landed minus that person, and the canopy. The A-6 has independent ejection options as well.
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RE: Eurofighter Crash In Spain

Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:21 pm

Quoting SandroMag (Reply 5):
Jose can you find out the serial of the crashed plane?

Hi SandroMag,

Not, I can't  

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Jose
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RE: Eurofighter Crash In Spain

Thu Aug 26, 2010 7:44 pm

Terrible news.

May he R.I.P

Quoting A342 (Reply 4):
I've always thought that when one crew member ejects, the other ejection seat(s) are also automatically activated. Might this be dependant upon aircraft type or is it a setting you can configure individually?

I believe that some trainer aircrafts have a switch controlling this. For instance, if the instructor pulls the handle; both are ejected, but if the student inadvertently ejects; the instructor remains seated and may bring the aircraft back to base.

(I know for a fact that a "passenger" has accidentally ejected from a Saab 105 trainer and the pilot brought the aircraft back to base.)
 
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RE: Eurofighter Crash In Spain

Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:03 am

Quoting redflyer (Reply 6):

An interesting read on a situation that resulted in one pilot surviving the ejection process while the other pilot perished is the crash of a USN F-14 in 1994, which resulted in the death of the USN's first female combat pilot:

That incident was solely the result of an error on the part of the pilot. F-14's on approach require a lot of physical force to manipulate the flight controls, and combined with the wholly inadequate P&W TF-30's, she err'd and only further compounded her situation with one bad decision after another. She didn't deserve to die, don't get me wrong, but she didn't deserve to fly Tomcats, either.
 
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RE: Eurofighter Crash In Spain

Fri Aug 27, 2010 4:50 am

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 10):
She didn't deserve to die, don't get me wrong, but she didn't deserve to fly Tomcats, either.

Mmm...you're really stretching it here. She could handle the jet and this accident wasn't caused by her not being able to handle and fly the jet. It was caused by making mistakes. Saying someone doesn't deserve to fly an aircraft because they make an error, simply doesn't add up.
 
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RE: Eurofighter Crash In Spain

Fri Aug 27, 2010 7:10 am

Quoting checksixx (Reply 11):
Saying someone doesn't deserve to fly an aircraft because they make an error, simply doesn't add up.

Nevermind the F14 has a long history of killing just about anyone it wants to. Sure doesn't discriminate based on the sex of the pilot.
 
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RE: Eurofighter Crash In Spain

Fri Aug 27, 2010 9:01 am

For starters, with the F14 crash, there was an adverse yaw condition that was developed, which consequently caused a compressor stall in one of the engines, you're slow, low, and in the approach turn behind the boat, not a good time for that to happen.

In the T-45, we have Martin Baker ejection seats, you can manually select the setting for ejection sequence. Either you both go together, or you can have independent ejection selected, where it's up to each crewmember to pull the handle.
 
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RE: Eurofighter Crash In Spain

Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:02 am

The Typhoon crashed was CE.16-08 11-77 c/n 141/ST008
 
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Fri Aug 27, 2010 2:50 pm

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RE: Eurofighter Crash In Spain

Fri Aug 27, 2010 6:14 pm

I would think in planes with single controls like the F-14 that if the pilot ejects everyone goes. Why would you have a system that would keep the other seats if there is no controls for them to operate the aircraft?

Now a plane that has two sets of controls is a different story.
 
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RE: Eurofighter Crash In Spain

Fri Aug 27, 2010 9:33 pm

Quoting KingairTA (Reply 16):
I would think in planes with single controls like the F-14 that if the pilot ejects everyone goes. Why would you have a system that would keep the other seats if there is no controls for them to operate the aircraft?

I think that may be the case, that if the pilot goes everyone goes. But the backseater/student/etc. can get punched out while the pilot remains with the aircraft if he choses too.
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