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UAE Seeks 30 More AH-64s To Double Fleet

Mon Nov 08, 2010 7:24 pm

This is in addition to the 36 for Saudi Arabia. $5 billion total if the deal goes through.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...n-deal-to-double-apache-fleet.html

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The United Arab Emirates plans to double the size of its Boeing AH-64D Apache Longbow attack helicopter fleet to 60 aircraft, under a potential acquisition and modernisation package worth $5 billion.
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RE: UAE Seeks 30 More AH-64s To Double Fleet

Mon Nov 08, 2010 8:07 pm

This will need to be run by the Congress, but I can see it getting approved for the UAE.
 
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RE: UAE Seeks 30 More AH-64s To Double Fleet

Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:08 pm

In the background, the follow on fighter purchase appears to be on hold. A year ago, it was virtually a lock for the Rafale; all that seems to have changed. The UAE recently said that the F-18 Super Hornet would meet their needs. Unknown at this point what fighter, if any, they'll choose.
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RE: UAE Seeks 30 More AH-64s To Double Fleet

Tue Nov 09, 2010 3:52 pm

Doesn't the UAEAF already have some 80 F-16E/F Block-60s and some 70 Mirage 2000s? I didn't know they wanted the F/A-18E/F too. They also have about 30 M-346s on a contract hold order.
 
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RE: UAE Seeks 30 More AH-64s To Double Fleet

Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:30 pm

I also thought AH-64s were shown to be pretty vulnerable in the skies over Iraq.
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RE: UAE Seeks 30 More AH-64s To Double Fleet

Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:38 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 4):
I also thought AH-64s were shown to be pretty vulnerable in the skies over Iraq.

Yes, when flown low over urban areas with DshK and KPV AAMGs. Even then it resulted in the downing of only 2 Apaches, one of which was later recovered.

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RE: UAE Seeks 30 More AH-64s To Double Fleet

Tue Nov 09, 2010 8:17 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3):
I didn't know they wanted the F/A-18E/F too. T

Here's he news report that threw water on French hopes for a "quick" Rafale sale.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/63809216-d...78-00144feabdc0.html#axzz14olzNDtN

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This summer, President Sarkozy also announced that the UAE was considering replacing its older fleet of 63 French Mirage jets with Rafales. Once again, the French camp seemed confident they had finally clinched an export order for the aircraft in a region that has traditionally been an important customer for French defence equipment. But this month, the UAE suggested it was also looking at the US Boeing F18 Super Hornet as an alternative. So the prospect of success once again risks turning into a mirage.

A month earlier, this report appeared in Defense News.

UAE May Ditch Rafale Hornet a Surprise Competitor for $10B Deal

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It was not immediately clear why the UAE is exploring a U.S.-made option.

The U.S. source said the Gulf state is believed to be frustrated over price and the technology offered by France.

UAE authorities have been negotiating with the French government and industry a potential co-development of a more capable "fifth-generation" model of the Rafale.

Abu Dhabi is being asked to pay to upgrade the Rafale, while the F-18 is already at the desired technological level.

The Gulf source said, "The Super Hornet has everything we need. We don't need to co-develop or modify it."
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RE: UAE Seeks 30 More AH-64s To Double Fleet

Tue Nov 09, 2010 8:17 pm

Quoting Lumberton (Thread starter):
This is in addition to the 36 for Saudi Arabia. $5 billion total if the deal goes through.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles....html

These would be to go after possible Iranian naval assets coming across the Gulf, if and when ? As opposed to strictly interdicting armour and other surface vehicles.
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RE: UAE Seeks 30 More AH-64s To Double Fleet

Tue Nov 09, 2010 8:57 pm

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 7):
These would be to go after possible Iranian naval assets coming across the Gulf, if and when ? As opposed to strictly interdicting armour and other surface vehicles.

The F-16s would be better suited IMO.
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RE: UAE Seeks 30 More AH-64s To Double Fleet

Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:18 pm

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 8):

The F-16s would be better suited IMO.

And more expensive . . .

The F-16 with sensor pod would be great at detecting air and surface assets. But if you are going to interdict a small gunboat or fishing boat, then it would be overkill . . .

And if you need to detonate a floating mine with out a mine sweeper near by, I'd say the AH wouldn't require multiple passes to hit the darn thing.  

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RE: UAE Seeks 30 More AH-64s To Double Fleet

Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:33 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):
This will need to be run by the Congress, but I can see it getting approved for the UAE.

For the nth time, arms sales notifications are not "approved" by Congress so much as they go through , usually without even any discussion on the floor, unless they are specifically vetoed, which you can count on your fingers the number of times thats happened in the last few decades.

"In
general, the executive branch, after complying with the terms of applicable U.S. law,
principally contained in the Arms Export Control Act (AECA), is free to proceed
with an arms sales proposal unless Congress passes legislation prohibiting or
modifying the proposed sale. Under current law Congress must overcome two
fundamental obstacles to block or modify a Presidential sale of military equipment:
it must pass legislation expressing its will on the sale, and it must be capable of
overriding a presumptive Presidential veto of such legislation. Congress, however,
is free to pass legislation to block or modify an arms sale at any time up to the point
of delivery of the items involved."

[Edited 2010-11-09 17:50:55]

http://www.law.umaryland.edu/marshal.../crsdocuments/RL31675_09122007.pdf


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RE: UAE Seeks 30 More AH-64s To Double Fleet

Wed Nov 10, 2010 2:24 pm

Quoting trex8 (Reply 10):
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Actually, trex8, that is what I ment. But, you said it better.

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