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Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:18 pm

Several papers in Argentina are reporting that a USAF C-17 is detained at SAEZ/EZE while some írregularities with its cargo -- apparently weapons for local security forces - is being checked. Aircraft came in yesterday from Panama. Interesting ....

Spanish language note from daily La Nación La Nacion

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[Edited 2011-02-11 13:26:56 by srbmod]
 
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Sat Feb 12, 2011 9:21 pm

Wait a minute. The USAF C-17 was transporting weapons for the local government in Buenos Aires, and they detain the crew and airplane? There is something more to this story as it just doesn't add up.

What is the US State Department doing for the crew and aircraft? This is their job to work out.
 
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Sun Feb 13, 2011 8:05 am

Well, maybe they discovered some of the weapons were going to someone else (say, CIA agents).
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Sun Feb 13, 2011 8:29 am

Quoting Aesma (Reply 2):

Well, maybe they discovered some of the weapons were going to someone else (say, CIA agent

Those go in a diplomatic "pouch" and while the term implies a small container, they can be quite large. The other option is to acquire weapons locally.
 
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Sun Feb 13, 2011 2:42 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 2):
Well, maybe they discovered some of the weapons were going to someone else (say, CIA agents).
Quoting silentbob (Reply 3):
Those go in a diplomatic "pouch" and while the term implies a small container, they can be quite large.

In which case they cannot be seized or searhed, they could certainely hold the air for some technical violations which require an investigation, but nothing more.

Quoting silentbob (Reply 3):
The other option is to acquire weapons locally.

Which is the best option since whatever they are used for can be blamed on the locals, besides, have the Europeans not already proven to the world that the CIA have their own a/c and do not use US Air Force military transport a/c?
 
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Sun Feb 13, 2011 3:20 pm

Might be something else entirely, such as the crew using the plane as their own drug plane while doing official air lifts.
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Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:58 pm

Quoting Norlander (Reply 5):

Military and Civilian customs no longer treats military aircrews with trust anymore after a C-5 crew tried to bring ecstasy into the country.
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Mon Feb 14, 2011 12:54 am

Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 7):
Military and Civilian customs no longer treats military aircrews with trust anymore after a C-5 crew tried to bring ecstasy into the country.

You're telling me. When I got back from deployment last month, it took us THREE HOURS to clear customs at home base...all ~170 of us on that rotator...it's MUCH easier to go commerical customs vs. military customs.
 
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Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:04 pm

This issue has now escalated. Weapons apparently intended to be used to train local police force have been seized by the local government. DoS is demanding weapons be returned. Argentina is filing a complaint.

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Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:46 pm

Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 6):
Military and Civilian customs no longer treats military aircrews with trust anymore after a C-5 crew tried to bring ecstasy into the country.

Not necessarily true.

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 7):
You're telling me. When I got back from deployment last month, it took us THREE HOURS to clear customs at home base...all ~170 of us on that rotator...it's MUCH easier to go commerical customs vs. military customs.

See my experience is totally different. I go through customs 3-4 times per month and usually takes my crew less than 5 minutes, and that's a C-5 crew. Sometimes customs gets waived all together! I will say it depends on where we come back into though. Dover customs (because of the Stewart ANG incident) is more thorough than say, Anderson or Travis. I guess its all situation based but I've been through enough commercial customs (stateside and other countries) to know I like going though military better.

Is there any info on where the crew is based out of?
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Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:22 pm

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 7):
You're telling me. When I got back from deployment last month, it took us THREE HOURS to clear customs at home base...all ~170 of us on that rotator...it's MUCH easier to go commerical customs vs. military customs

I was one the TA guys who recovered you and that is normal ops with the customs guy who comes out from Will Rogers, he doesn't cut anybody any slack. I see it all the time. If you ever comeback on a E-3 and just want to get off the jet at TIK make sure you mission plan to stop at Bangor, in and out no problem. Plus with the Transportation contractor at TIK has pretty much stopped giving anybody rides except the base shuttle and that is why you guys did it that way in build ing 289. I have given transient aircrew rides to billeting and base ops in the follow me truck and the base cc has signed off on this cutback of service. How customs goes all depends on the inspector.
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Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:34 am

Quoting hawaiianhobo (Reply 9):
Is there any info on where the crew is based out of?

There is a quite nice pic here together with story in English.

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Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:07 am

This strikes me as rather odd. I just left active duty, and in 5 years I have never had a foreign customs agent step on board an a/c, much less look around. At my former home station sometimes customs were there and met the plane. A couple of times they never even bothered to show up.
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Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:24 pm

I was in Buenos Aires and through EZEIZA when this happened and I did not hear a thing.
This is very mysterious. I doubt this has anything to do with black ops though. Different sources are -of course- saying different things.

Argentine President Cristina Kirchner does not seem to be too happy about this.

I have been following this story. These are the links I have got.

In a statement late on Sunday, President Cristina Kirchner's government said it would lodge a protest with Washington and ask it to cooperate in a probe into the air force's attempt "to violate Argentine laws by bringing in hidden material in an official shipment."

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news...ry-plane-cargo-20110215-1au1u.html

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Encontronazo diplomático de EEUU y Argentina por el cargamento de un avión U.S.

http://translate.google.com/translat...22%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26prmd%3Divns

Published February 14, 2011
AP
Argentina's Cristina Fernández de Kirchner

Machine guns, ammunition, drugs, and spy equipment were seized from a U.S. Air Force C-17 cargo plane that landed in Argentina on Thursday, and Argentine authorites are now accusing the U.S. military of sneaking-in the equipment under the guise of providing routine police training courses for Argentina's federal police.

The charge was disputed Monday by U.S. officials.

continued:
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/new...o-seized-spy-equipment-obama-snub/

The US Air Force C-17 transport plane was searched and its cargo seized by customs officials on Thursday at Ezeiza International Airport after arriving with experts and material for a hostage rescue training exercise

rescue training exercise...
   
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Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:58 pm

I wonder where the C-17 was scheduled to go after it left EZE? Is it possible the equipment seized was for another destination?
 
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Tue Feb 15, 2011 10:58 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 13):
Machine guns, ammunition, drugs, and spy equipment

Seems I was on the mark, then.
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Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:35 am

Quoting Aesma (Reply 15):
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 13):
Machine guns, ammunition, drugs, and spy equipment

Seems I was on the mark, then.

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Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:32 am

Apprarently the C-17 arrived with authorized military equipment for an exercise with the Argentine Federal Police but according to the Argentine authorities the plane was carrying unauthorized equipment in the form of :

1) Listening devices (already called "espionage" devices by some higher up Argentine)
2) Drugs (Apparently morphine, haven´t mentioned other type)
3) Undeclared weapons

These came in a conspicous box that was not declared in the goods the American embassy had passed alogg to the Argentine authoties and what was in the end authorized to come in. Someone noticed the box and the American crew refused to opened it. It took apparently two day of diplomatic back and forths until withouth US authorization the box was opened by the Argentines and what I mentioned above is what was in it.

The thing has escalated all the way to the higher authorities in both countries, and the Argentines won´t release the C-17

In Spanish

http://www.clarin.com/politica/gobie...no-insiste-drogas_0_427757416.html

In English, I have not read that version

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/am...02/15/argentina.us.spat/index.html
 
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Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:51 pm

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 7):
You're telling me. When I got back from deployment last month, it took us THREE HOURS to clear customs at home base...all ~170 of us on that rotator...it's MUCH easier to go commerical customs vs. military customs.



If it was the old guy that comes out from Will Rogers, he is a giant douche' bag and will always give folks crap. It was rumoured he was a disgruntled ART (a radar tech on the E-3 for those that don't know).

There were some younger guys that were normally fairly expeditious. They would normally always ask for the youngest member of the crew and search his bags. I kid you not, and normally they would find a bottle of something like Absinthe, he shouldn't have, or cigars. We had better hiding places for the cigars so it was never a problem.

I've done customs at Pease (on a 141 and C-5) while "escorting" sensitive cargo and in both instances MPs acted as customs and in both cases a large crate of beer was pulled out, handed to them, and we moved along.

But honestly it all depends. We had lax customs in , Ecuador, Saudi, Canada (Maple Flags) when I was doing NATO E-3s, and at Tinker. We also had very sever customs checks in all those places. There never seemed to be a rhyme or reason between the two.

We also flew to Argentina for a mission and it was cursory at best but that 5-6 years ago.
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Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 10):

I was one the TA guys who recovered you and that is normal ops with the customs guy who comes out from Will Rogers, he doesn't cut anybody any slack. I see it all the time. If you ever comeback on a E-3 and just want to get off the jet at TIK make sure you mission plan to stop at Bangor, in and out no problem. Plus with the Transportation contractor at TIK has pretty much stopped giving anybody rides except the base shuttle and that is why you guys did it that way in build ing 289. I have given transient aircrew rides to billeting and base ops in the follow me truck and the base cc has signed off on this cutback of service. How customs goes all depends on the inspector.

I've been on tailswaps over to the desert before...and we INTENTIONALLY stop at KBGR to avoid the one dude from Will Rogers...we've all been told he's just a disgruntled former 'Wacker who likes to stick it to us whenever possible. Now whenever he's not there...or I've returned from our southern locale, you guys have been pretty awesome about being quick and thorough. We all CRINGED when we saw that dude standing by the jet when we landed. Of course, it's a bunch of us who think it's ok to smuggle in a few Cubans and whatnot that are ruining the quick and easy party for the rest...
 
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Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:04 am

The saga goes on and the C17 is still sequestered in SAEZ/EZE. Here are today's notes from the BA Herald:
here and and here

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Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:01 am

Quoting LVTMB (Thread starter):
Several papers in Argentina are reporting that a USAF C-17 is detained at SAEZ/EZE

how will all this affect US - Argentina relations ?
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Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:44 pm

Well, here are the facts: Update

Quoting alberchico (Reply 22):


I don't see much of joint training happening in the near future

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Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:28 pm

Quoting LVTMB (Reply 23):
Well, here are the facts: Update

After reading that, The State Department really makes it seem like Argentina is getting butt hurt over nothing. If the DOD team was there to conduct hostage rescue and crisis management training with the Argentine Federal Police, why are pulling this crap, for all of the training exercise's I've been a part of there has always seemed to be a professional courtesy, it does not seem to apply here. I have a feeling this maybe the last one for awhile. The irony of the matter is the people being held are there for "hostage rescue and crisis management training"...
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Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:59 pm

Have the crew and team been arrested? Are they in some Argentinan Jail, or are the restricted to just their hotel?
 
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Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:02 pm

Anyone know the tail number?
 
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Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:01 pm

Quoting hercppmx (Reply 24):
The irony of the matter is the people being held are there for "hostage rescue and crisis management training"...
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 25):
Have the crew and team been arrested? Are they in some Argentinan Jail, or are the restricted to just their hotel?

Okay it was a poor choice of words on my part, I don't know what is being done with anything as far as the crew. I would GUESS that since it has not been mentioned they probably aren't being detained. Hope fully they are at a hotel racking up full per diem while state figures it out.
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Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:49 pm

An article by some Clarin Newspaper editorialist that appeared yesterday says this whole affair is an Argentine retaliation for Obama not going to Argentina, but going to other countries of the region. Knowing Clarin group is out to get Cristina (and I´m not much of a symphatizer of her myself) I would still take those news with a grain of salt.

However the American comuniqué makes the Argentines appear as children doing a tantrum over finding cans of tuna instead of M&Ms

I think the truth lies somewhere in between.
 
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Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:25 pm

Quoting Galaxy5007 (Reply 26):
Anyone know the tail number?

Good question. Do we know what unit the C-17 and crew are from? Active duty? Reserves? ANG?

Quoting AR385 (Reply 28):
I think the truth lies somewhere in between.

That is almost always the case.
 
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Sun Feb 20, 2011 12:50 am

http://operatorchan.org/t/res/210960.html

In the Picture it looks like a Charleston bird. The tail of the bird in the pic looks like "77184"

[Edited 2011-02-19 16:52:42]
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Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:39 pm

What finally happened with this situation?
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Fri Mar 11, 2011 1:23 pm

It appears to have been resolved.

"Argentina’s ambassador to the US described the situation as “a shameful embarrassment” before returning the cargo to North Carolina."


http://alethonews.wordpress.com/2011...ing-arms-and-drugs-into-argentina/
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C-17 Detained At SAEZ/EZE

Could there be a C-17 on public auction soon?
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