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MiG Shot Down In Libya - Video

Sat Mar 19, 2011 10:13 am

Just seen on BBC, a MiG 23 or 27 shot down. Assume it's government, but rebels were said to have a figher and some Hinds.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12794589

Some pretty clear photos here.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12794623

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RE: MiG Shot Down In Libya - Video

Sat Mar 19, 2011 10:44 am

Quoting outbackair (Thread starter):
Just seen on BBC, a MiG 23 or 27 shot down.

From the looks of it - or more specifically, the pointy nose - it's a MiG-23ML or MLD.

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RE: MiG Shot Down In Libya - Video

Sat Mar 19, 2011 1:33 pm

The Guardian is reporting that the jet was operated by rebel forces.

On a related note; what is happening with (or has happened to) the Mirage F1s and their crews that landed in Malta on Feb. 21st? Did they gain asylum? What will happen to the equipment?
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RE: MiG Shot Down In Libya - Video

Sat Mar 19, 2011 2:39 pm

How do rebel forces obtain MiGs?

Are they defectors from the Libyan Air Force, or obtained from ... who knows where?
 
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RE: MiG Shot Down In Libya - Video

Sat Mar 19, 2011 2:57 pm

A good part of the military sided with the rebels so it's a safe bet to assume they're Lybian AF equipment.
 
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RE: MiG Shot Down In Libya - Video

Sun Mar 20, 2011 1:23 am

Quoting the BBC site linked above:

"Correspondents say the chances of surviving after such a late ejection are slim."

Are Mig-23s not equiped with zero/zero seats?
 
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RE: MiG Shot Down In Libya - Video

Sun Mar 20, 2011 1:52 am

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 5):

The chances of surviving Ghadaffi's forces on the ground if he landed among them are zero!
 
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RE: MiG Shot Down In Libya - Video

Sun Mar 20, 2011 3:58 am

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 5):
Are Mig-23s not equiped with zero/zero seats?

Nope.


I think all of the MiG-23 variants have the KM-1M ejection seat. While it's not a zero/zero seat, it has a pretty wide envelope - something like 0-20,000 meters altitude and 150-1200 knots airspeed. The problem in this case would come from the extreme nose-down angle and rate of descent at the time of ejection.
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RE: MiG Shot Down In Libya - Video

Sun Mar 20, 2011 9:51 pm

According to the Mail on Sunday, it was a "friendly fire" loss.

Still they also said it was a Mirage.

Funny thing was that they had a picture of a MIG23 yesterday, and the pictures of the shoot down today but did not realise that both pictures were the same type.
 
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RE: MiG Shot Down In Libya - Video

Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:14 pm

Quoting etherealsky (Reply 2):
On a related note; what is happening with (or has happened to) the Mirage F1s and their crews that landed in Malta on Feb. 21st? Did they gain asylum? What will happen to the equipment?

I thought Malta was neutral. Someone mentioned in a different thread that the paperwork to release the planes would take months if not years.
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RE: MiG Shot Down In Libya - Video

Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:49 pm

With a bit of luck, they will still be there in September, (Malta International Airshow).
 
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RE: MiG Shot Down In Libya - Video

Mon Mar 21, 2011 9:25 pm

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 10):
With a bit of luck, they will still be there in September, (Malta International Airshow).

Highly likely given the talk in this thread.

Two Libyan Mirage F-1's Defect To Malta (by lmml 14/32 Feb 21 2011 in Military Aviation & Space Flight)
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RE: MiG Shot Down In Libya - Video

Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:50 am

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 10):
With a bit of luck, they will still be there in September, (Malta International Airshow).

Silver lining for spotters?
 
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RE: MiG Shot Down In Libya - Video

Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:20 pm

Who uses callsign "Chaos"?
 
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RE: MiG Shot Down In Libya - Video

Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:32 pm

Quoting lmml 14/32 (Reply 13):
Who uses callsign "Chaos"?

Typhoons from Royal Air Force 3SQN Coningsby maybe?
http://www.the-guide.nl/callsign/split/c/4/
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RE: MiG Shot Down In Libya - Video

Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:39 pm

Imml, I'm almost positive now that "Chaos" is used by RAF 121st Expeditionary Air Wing, RAF Coningsby 3rd Squadron operating Typhoon FGR4's out of Italy right now.
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RE: MiG Shot Down In Libya - Video

Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:24 am

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 14):
Typhoons from Royal Air Force 3SQN Coningsby maybe?
http://www.the-guide.nl/callsign/spl.../c/4/

That's a great guide to callsigns. Thanks.

I also hear several EXON callsigns. So, according to this list there are F111's in action over the Med too.
 
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RE: MiG Shot Down In Libya - Video

Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:15 pm

Quoting lmml 14/32 (Reply 16):
I also hear several EXON callsigns. So, according to this list there are F111's in action over the Med too.

I'd guess the aircraft list is a little old, but the call signs don't change. "Exon" belongs to the USAF 48th Fighter Wing, now operating F-15s. That downed F-15 likely came from that squadron.

http://www.lakenheath.af.mil/library/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=10661
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