chuchoteur
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Grumman EA6B Aircraft At Amarc

Wed Apr 06, 2011 4:24 pm

Following on from the discussion on a previous thread, I was checking out if any Grumman EA6B aircraft were being stored at AMARC.

The below link suggests that 5 aircraft are in storage:
6B.html" target="_blank">http://www.landair.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/amarc/EA6B.html

I also noted that one had come into storage, and has since been returned to service.

Since the EA6B is essentially a subsonic aircraft, and given the fact that the 4 seater variant could prove to be quite practical, what would be the chances of these aircraft being eventually operated on the civilian register, once all the electronic jamming equipment has been removed?

Serial Type Arrival Date
159585 EA-6B 21-Jul-2009
158040 EA-6B 30-Sep-2009
158030 EA-6B 02-Oct-2009
163892 EA-6B 02-Nov-2009
162939 EA-6B 22-Mar-2011

Just wondering... and also what the process would be if they were eventually demilitarised.

Bearing in mind a useful 4-seater aircraft with good fuel burn (once all the heavy electronic jamming equipment has been removed), good short field performance (it was a carrier aircraft after all!) and good range could make a nice private jet... particularly with the side by side configuration.

Plus, the folding wings mean it doesn't take up as much hangar space either!
 
 
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RE: Grumman EA6B Aircraft At Amarc

Wed Apr 06, 2011 8:19 pm

Not only would I love to see a Prowler in civvy hands and flown at airshows, but I'd love to have one myself! It is a pretty unique configuration (4 place cockpit on a military jet) so it would make a great family jet, or good for taking the boys out to Vegas for a weekend  
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RE: Grumman EA6B Aircraft At Amarc

Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:17 am

How will the noisy old J-52 turbojet deal with noise restrictions? Or do warbirds get an exemption?
 
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RE: Grumman EA6B Aircraft At Amarc

Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:00 am

Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 1):
Not only would I love to see a Prowler in civvy hands and flown at airshows, but I'd love to have one myself! It is a pretty unique configuration (4 place cockpit on a military jet) so it would make a great family jet, or good for taking the boys out to Vegas for a weekend

My thoughts exactly!

Plus once you've taken out all the ECM equipment, the rest can't be that classified... so in theory it should be quite possible to eventually get one?

With the F18 Growler coming online, I'm wondering how long the EA6B will be in service. Even though it got a service life extension (I believe)... not that this has prevented former military aircraft being owned/operated by private individuals whilst it was still an in-service aircraft (cf the Harrier that came onto the private register last year).

Slap drop tanks on the inner hardpoints, and convert the outer drop tanks as luggage racks and you're off!

Quoting legs (Reply 2):
How will the noisy old J-52 turbojet deal with noise restrictions? Or do warbirds get an exemption?

I do believe they are exempt due to their "experimental" status.
You may however have to comply with a night curfew if applicable...
 
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RE: Grumman EA6B Aircraft At Amarc

Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:59 pm

... btw does anybody have first hand experience on the EA6B?

I'm just curious to know if the integrated boarding steps are mechanical or actuated, i.e. do you have to hang over the side to release them if you are in the aircraft, or are they systematically handled by ground crew?

(in simple terms, can you get out on your own without punching a hole in the canopy!)
 
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RE: Grumman EA6B Aircraft At Amarc

Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:55 pm

Usually the Navy doesn't sell their old aircraft though. They go so far as to lay claim on all the wrecks being pulled up from Lake Michigan...

The Saab 105 was converted as a 4-seater exec transport, you may be better off getting one from Sweden or Austria.
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RE: Grumman EA6B Aircraft At Amarc

Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:37 pm

Is anybody able to get aircraft from AMARC anymore? I thought they cut off sales of whole aircraft a while back with only cut-up scrap or parts sold.
 
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RE: Grumman EA6B Aircraft At Amarc

Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:02 pm

Quoting chuchoteur (Reply 4):
I'm just curious to know if the integrated boarding steps are mechanical or actuated, i.e. do you have to hang over the side to release them if you are in the aircraft, or are they systematically handled by ground crew?


All boarding ladders on USN carrier aircraft are opened and closed by ground crew.

Quoting chuchoteur (Reply 3):
I do believe they are exempt due to their "experimental" status.
You may however have to comply with a night curfew if applicable...


If you took off in one of those at night you would definitely get a lot complaints from the neighbors. Come to think of it you would probably get complaints in the daytime. On the cats when they went to mil it would be so loud it would hurt your ears. Even with ear plugs and the Mikey Mouse ears on.
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RE: Grumman EA6B Aircraft At Amarc

Fri Apr 08, 2011 12:10 am

Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 1):
I'd love to have one myself! It is a pretty unique configuration (4 place cockpit on a military jet) so it would make a great family jet, or good for taking the boys out to Vegas for a weekend

I've long held this thought myself. The E/A-6B would make a great private aircraft to quickly haul around some people.
 
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RE: Grumman EA6B Aircraft At Amarc

Fri Apr 08, 2011 2:14 pm

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 5):
The Saab 105 was converted as a 4-seater exec transport, you may be better off getting one from Sweden or Austria.

... not the same size, range or performance... the EA6B Prowler is a true 4 seater in terms of space behind, and visibility from that second row of seats...  
It's also a muuuch bigger aircraft!
 
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RE: Grumman EA6B Aircraft At Amarc

Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:04 am

... actually, plenty of S2 Vikings at AMARC... and those are 4 seater as well?
Seems strange that you have to load the rear seats if they are unoccupied... no deactivation on them?
 
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RE: Grumman EA6B Aircraft At Amarc

Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:16 pm

Quoting legs (Reply 2):

How will the noisy old J-52 turbojet deal with noise restrictions? Or do warbirds get an exemption?

Here in the US, there are very few airports that have any noise restrictions at all. Personally, I don't think it would be that big of deal to operate one here in that regard. Buying the plane and making it airworthy would be the hardest part, IMO.

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RE: Grumman EA6B Aircraft At Amarc

Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:38 pm

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 11):
Reply 11, posted Tue Apr 26 2011 18:16:01 your local time (20 minutes 50 secs ago) and read 11 times:


Quoting legs (Reply 2):

How will the noisy old J-52 turbojet deal with noise restrictions? Or do warbirds get an exemption?

Here in the US, there are very few airports that have any noise restrictions at all. Personally, I don't think it would be that big of deal to operate one here in that regard. Buying the plane and making it airworthy would be the hardest part, IMO.

-DiamondFlyer

... I saw some FAA regulation a while back that stated that warbirds were meant to be stage 2 compliant?
Not sure if it was a definite, or a suggested amendment. Seems that the EAA managed to negociate an acceptable "middle ground" if I recall correctly.

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