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First RAF Voyager Arrives

Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:04 am

Yesterday (18/04/2011) the RAF's first A330 tanker/frieghter arrived at MOD Boscombe Down, Wiltshire. It's called Voyager and what a terrible name it is. I know that the MOD doesn't really have a policy for names (bar Tornado/Typhoon, Sentry/Sentinal), but Voyager!? I've had some wonderful fun in the office joking with the RAF guys on it's name.

"If the EngO reports a problem with it that grounds the a/c, will the Captain just say 'Make it Go'?!"
"Will it boldly go where no man has gone before?"

LINK to the Ministry of Defence news story.
 
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RE: First RAF Voyager Arrives

Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:37 pm

I saw another link a couple days ago on the same story, at the bottom they had a picture of all the a/c in the inventory, strangely enough the tanker was the longest and widest of all the current tankers and transport a/c, definately for the slow movers community it will give them a reason to "crow".
 
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RE: First RAF Voyager Arrives

Tue Apr 19, 2011 1:36 pm

Voyager?

Is it lost in the Delta Quadrent? (Star Trek Voyager)

Quoting highlander0 (Thread starter):
It's called Voyager and what a terrible name it is.

Well, it is not as bad as some RN ship names. Like the HMS Glorious? She wasn't so Glorious when the German Battlecruisers Sharnhorst and Gneisenau sank her (but her escort destroyers HMS Ardent and HMS Acasta were).
 
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RE: First RAF Voyager Arrives

Tue Apr 19, 2011 3:31 pm

BBC News website report.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13125047  
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RE: First RAF Voyager Arrives

Tue Apr 19, 2011 5:40 pm

Whatever daft name they've called it at least it's finally arrived and the RAF can modernise the tanker and transport fleet.

Double edged sword though, it means the end of the beautiful VC10 is imminent  
 
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RE: First RAF Voyager Arrives

Tue Apr 19, 2011 5:41 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2):
Well, it is not as bad as some RN ship names. Like the HMS Glorious? She wasn't so Glorious when the German Battlecruisers Sharnhorst and Gneisenau sank her (but her escort destroyers HMS Ardent and HMS Acasta were).


Could be worse, not being into that whole political shitfest over whose side's Presidents (who can even be alive now) gets a carrier named after them. (When there could be so many fine USN carrier names from WW2, until they started naming amphibious vessels to make way for the Presidents).

As for the RAF A330, could have been worse there too. Not being into Star Trek I'm perhaps immune to some parallels.

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RE: First RAF Voyager Arrives

Tue Apr 19, 2011 6:59 pm

Or the choice for the F/A-18G as the 'Growler'. If you're aware of British slang, then you'll crack a smile every time it's spoken about.


The FSTA was beginning to be known as the Fucking Stupid Tanker Acquisition as it's being procured under a PFI and the length it took to do so.
 
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Tue Apr 19, 2011 7:00 pm

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 3):
BBC News website report.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13125047

I find it interesting that they don't compare it in size to the VC-10 it is replacing. Granted the Lanc and the Vulcan are iconic planes that almost anyone would recognize but still.
 
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Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:04 am

Quoting highlander0 (Reply 6):
Or the choice for the F/A-18G as the 'Growler'. If you're aware of British slang, then you'll crack a smile every time it's spoken about.

I'd never picked up on that until you just pointed it out. I'll never be able to work in them on the database now without sniggering like a schoolboy.  

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Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:20 am

Quoting ulfinator (Reply 7):
I find it interesting that they don't compare it in size to the VC-10 it is replacing.

From Wikipedia:

Quote:
Length: 158 ft 8 in (48.36 m)
Wingspan: 146 ft 2 in (44.55 m)
Quoting GPHOTO (Reply 8):
I'd never picked up on that until you just pointed it out.

Glad I could make your day a little brighter!!



Does make me wonder if there's been any other unfortunately named aircraft?
 
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Wed Apr 20, 2011 12:24 pm

Quoting highlander0 (Reply 9):
Does make me wonder if there's been any other unfortunately named aircraft?

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Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:16 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2):
Voyager?

Is it lost in the Delta Quadrent? (Star Trek Voyager)

LOL.


The shuttle "Enterprise" of the US is named after Star Trek, so why shouldn´t the RAF do the same...?
 
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RE: First RAF Voyager Arrives

Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:26 pm

Quoting GPHOTO (Reply 10):
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Ahhh, but BEAVERs are something all men love.

Quoting highlander0 (Reply 6):
The FSTA was beginning to be known as the Fucking Stupid Tanker Acquisition

           

Doesn't sound like it has the same effection as the BUFF.

I don't get it about the GROWLER.
 
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RE: First RAF Voyager Arrives

Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:13 pm

growler - This term has two suggested meaning from two different people. The first is a slang name for vagina, i.e.. "I'd love to see her growler". This probably derives from it's likeness to a furry animal ? The other meaning is: the sort of person who is very drunk in a pub and is looking for a fight, maybe a mad looking bloke sitting at the bar staring at people.
 
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Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:46 pm

Quoting 328JET (Reply 11):
The shuttle "Enterprise" of the US is named after Star Trek, so why shouldn´t the RAF do the same...?

And it's not too hard to imagine that Gene Roddenberry chose the name Enterprise based on the long line of USN ships carrying the same name.

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growler - This term has two suggested meaning from two different people. The first is a slang name for vagina, i.e.. "I'd love to see her growler". This probably derives from it's likeness to a furry animal ? The other meaning is: the sort of person who is very drunk in a pub and is looking for a fight, maybe a mad looking bloke sitting at the bar staring at people.

Around here, "growler" is used to describe a beer bottle used to hold either home-brewed beer or beer made at a local micro-brewery:

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A growler is a U.S. half gallon (1,890 ml/66.5 imp fl oz) glass jug used to transport draft beer in Australia, the United States and Canada. They are commonly sold at breweries and brewpubs as a means to sell take-out beer. Some breweries also offer a one-litre or one-quart version. Growlers are also used by homebrewers as an alternative to kegs or smaller bottles for carbonating and storing their beer.

Growlers are generally made of glass and have either a screw-on cap or a hinged porcelain gasket cap, which can provide freshness for a week or more. A properly sealed growler will hold carbonation indefinitely and will store beer like any other sanitized bottle. Some growler caps are equipped with valves to allow replacement of CO2 lost while racking. The modern glass growler was first introduced by Charlie and Ernie Otto of Otto Brother's Brewing Company in 1989. [5]

The term likely dates back to the late 19th century when fresh beer was carried from the local pub to one's home by means of a small galvanized pail. It is claimed the sound that the CO2 made when it escaped from the lid as the beer sloshed around sounded like a growl.

Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_bottle#Growler
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RE: First RAF Voyager Arrives

Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:50 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 14):
And it's not too hard to imagine that Gene Roddenberry chose the name Enterprise based on the long line of USN ships carrying the same name.

Yes, but as far as i know, the US public selected the name "Enterprise".
And i am sure they took it from Star Trek and not from a warship...


 

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Wed Apr 20, 2011 5:34 pm

Quoting 328JET (Reply 15):
Yes, but as far as i know, the US public selected the name "Enterprise".
And i am sure they took it from Star Trek and not from a warship...

Indeed, they did a write in campaign, all those Star Trek fans. (I can enjoy the hokey, set shifting 1960's series - but the rest? Taking it seriously enough to do a write in campaign though)?
What they did not do was pay attention in the real world so much, the first Shuttle (originally planned as being called Constitution some say), was never a dead cert for orbital flight, after the glide tests in 1977 and general prepping facilities at KSC etc.
The 'Trekkies' (god help us) surely would have preferred to have renamed Columbia ?
 
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Wed Apr 20, 2011 5:35 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 14):
And it's not too hard to imagine that Gene Roddenberry chose the name Enterprise based on the long line of USN ships carrying the same name.

It's true. Many of the other ships in the series are named after famous naval ships and commanders. As part of a unified humanity, names are chosen from all over the planet, from all sides of various conflicts. USS Defiant is named after HMS Defiant of the Royal Navy, USS Yamato is named after the battleship IJN Yamato and USS Farragut is named after famous American naval commander David Farragut, for example.

And I'm not a big Star Trek fan either, but I did find the way they chose the names for craft interesting, so did some research  
Quoting 328JET (Reply 15):
Yes, but as far as i know, the US public selected the name "Enterprise".
And i am sure they took it from Star Trek and not from a warship...

Also true.

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RE: First RAF Voyager Arrives

Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:32 pm

Quoting GPHOTO (Reply 10):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 12):
Ahhh, but BEAVERs are something all men love.

Many, many, many years ago, long before I ever learned about that usage of the word, I was at a Cub Scout camp at Terendak, an Army Air Corps camp in Malaya. We heard the sound of an approaching aircraft and one of our number, whose father was based there, casually announced "That'll be the mail Beaver". I spent the rest of the week wondering what made it a male rather than a female and how one could tell the difference. I'm so glad I kept my confusion to myself.

  
 
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RE: First RAF Voyager Arrives

Wed Apr 20, 2011 7:07 pm

Quoting highlander0 (Reply 9):

Does make me wonder if there's been any other unfortunately named aircraft?

Unfortunate in a different vein, but how about the C42 Ikarus?
 
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Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:07 pm

Quoting highlander0 (Reply 9):
Does make me wonder if there's been any other unfortunately named aircraft?

The Antonov An-22 was known by NATO as the "Cock"; always made me snigger as a child (still does in fact)!
 
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Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:10 pm

Quoting Ant72LBA (Reply 20):
The Antonov An-22 was known by NATO as the "Cock"; always made me snigger as a child (still does in fact)!

Don't forget the more "offensive" Mig-15 Fagot. I would call that unfortunately named somewhat..
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Quoting GPHOTO (Reply 17):
Quoting Revelation (Reply 14):
And it's not too hard to imagine that Gene Roddenberry chose the name Enterprise based on the long line of USN ships carrying the same name.

It's true.

Actually, I believe Mr. Roddenberry did not name any of his Star Trek ships after any USN ship, or warship. The RN had 15 ships (to date) named HMS Enterprise, and another 4 ships named Enterprise, but without the HMS prefix.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Enterprise

The USN has had 8 ships and one building named Enterprise or USS Enterprise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise

Then of course there is the VSS Enterprise (shown here slung under the "mothership"), N339SS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SS2_and_VMS_Eve.jpg
 
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Tue May 17, 2011 9:52 pm

Quoting highlander0 (Reply 9):

Does make me wonder if there's been any other unfortunately named aircraft?

...and this one didn't need to be refueled...


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Wed May 18, 2011 5:32 pm

Quoting highlander0 (Reply 6):
The FSTA was beginning to be known as the Fucking Stupid Tanker Acquisition as it's being procured under a PFI and the length it took to do so.

Kind of like the USAF pet name for the B-52, the BUFF?
 
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Thu May 19, 2011 5:36 pm

A-7 Corsair, SLUF. (You can choose to have the 'F' as 'Fella or be more profane).

I heard that the original planned name for the B-1 was Excalibur .
Which I understand at the time was also the brand leading condom in the US.

Mind you, Lancer sounds like it could have been the same.
 
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Quoting GDB (Reply 25):
A-7 Corsair, SLUF. (You can choose to have the 'F' as 'Fella or be more profane).

I heard that the original planned name for the B-1 was Excalibur .
Which I understand at the time was also the brand leading condom in the US.

Mind you, Lancer sounds like it could have been the same.

Actually the unofficial name is BONE which they got by infusing B and one, plus also Crew Chiefs call the bone the HAWK which stands for holiday and weekend killer.
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Fri May 20, 2011 5:23 am

Quoting kanban (Reply 13):
growler - This term has two suggested meaning from two different people. The first is a slang name for vagina, i.e.. "I'd love to see her growler". This probably derives from it's likeness to a furry animal ? The other meaning is: the sort of person who is very drunk in a pub and is looking for a fight, maybe a mad looking bloke sitting at the bar staring at people.

The only meaning 'growler' has here in the UK (other than a person who growls) is it's a slang name for pork pie. The 2 references you've made in your post must be specific to America because we don't use either of those here.
 
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Fri May 20, 2011 7:31 am

Quoting RobK (Reply 27):
The only meaning 'growler' has here in the UK (other than a person who growls) is it's a slang name for pork pie. The 2 references you've made in your post must be specific to America because we don't use either of those here.

Growler is definitely used for more than pork pies believe me. In fact I've never heard the term before used for a pork pie, which just shows how words are used differently around the regions. I was up in pork pie country, around Melton Mowbray, a few weeks ago, but it looks like I managed to avoid any language misunderstandings when ordereing food  

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RE: First RAF Voyager Arrives

Tue May 24, 2011 1:22 pm

Another one, ZZ330, is flying back and forth over the Med at the moment as CASA335, out of Cordoba it would seem, from flightradar24.


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RE: First RAF Voyager Arrives

Tue May 24, 2011 4:13 pm

Quoting highlander0 (Reply 9):
Does make me wonder if there's been any other unfortunately named aircraft?
Quoting be77 (Reply 23):
...and this one didn't need to be refueled...

I think, in the case of this aircraft, the name fits very well.
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Tue May 24, 2011 5:10 pm

Generally speaking the British military aircraft names are nice, lacking the bombast and artificialness of some of the US names ('Nighthawk'). The name being the principal designation is also smart, it avoids the need to select a role in the type designation. Voyager is a bit uninspired I think.
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Tue May 24, 2011 6:40 pm

R J Mitchell, designer of the Spitfire, died in 1937 I think, he lived to see the prototype but cancer took him before the aircraft was named.
When asked, those who knew him reckoned he'd have reacted to calling it Spitfire as just the sort of bloody stupid name they'd come up with!
 
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Tue May 24, 2011 6:53 pm

Quoting highlander0 (Reply 6):
Or the choice for the F/A-18G as the 'Growler'. If you're aware of British slang, then you'll crack a smile every time it's spoken about.

I didn't know about all these other meanings. When I read this, Google took me right to the Wikipedia page, and the meaning I guessed you were referring to was the last one on their list:

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Slang for the act of defecating (as made popular by the TV show MXC).
 
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Tue May 24, 2011 8:27 pm

Quoting Areopagus (Reply 33):
I didn't know about all these other meanings. When I read this, Google took me right to the Wikipedia page, and the meaning I guessed you were referring to was the last one on their list:

No. It's usually used to reference a female's "lady garden".
 
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Tue May 24, 2011 9:43 pm

Quoting highlander0 (Reply 34):
Quoting Areopagus (Reply 33):
I didn't know about all these other meanings. When I read this, Google took me right to the Wikipedia page, and the meaning I guessed you were referring to was the last one on their list:

No. It's usually used to reference a female's "lady garden".

You have to go to UrbanDicitonary.com for this type of thing.
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RE: First RAF Voyager Arrives

Wed May 25, 2011 6:23 am

Returning to the main topic, according to the RIAT website, Airbus will be supplying an A330 MRTT for this years static display. Does anyone know if this will be one of the RAF Voyager's or someone elses?

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