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Boeing's New Air Dominance Fighter Concept

Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:49 pm

The Dew Line has just come out with two videos of Boeing's new conceptual air dominance fighter.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/th...ideos-a-slightly-fuzzy-look-i.html

The PAK-FA and J-20 may now have a new adversary to plan for. Guess the snoops would be quite busy in the years ahead figuring out how to reverse engineer the thing!      

However, the biggest hurdle would be where the funding is going to come from this time...         

[Edited 2011-06-07 13:30:01]
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RE: Boeing's New Air Dominance Fighter Concept

Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:11 pm

Does anyone think that the US has any money to buy a new fighter? They even don't know, how to pay the bills for the F-35.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ar-mark-for-maintenance-bills.html

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RE: Boeing's New Air Dominance Fighter Concept

Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:53 pm

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 1):
Does anyone think that the US has any money to buy a new fighter?

The show must go on. There certainly is the need for other models beyond the F-35 in capability.

Manufacturers are talking about stuff with development and production cycles 10-30 years out.
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RE: Boeing's New Air Dominance Fighter Concept

Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:30 pm

The presentation seems to highlight the ability to do development work that encompass initial configuration evaluation all the way through tooling and rate production. The tools allow them to provide better estimates on design and costs. The fighter shown looks like just a straw horse that have been run through the exercise. Whether the final article is a next generation fighter, bomber or UAV, the program/process shown would allow the "customer" have a better feel that Boeing is providing a more accurate cost estimate/bid . . . hint . . . hint . . .

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RE: Boeing's New Air Dominance Fighter Concept

Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:03 am

Sensor and processing technology keep improving so very soon a pilot could have very good SA without actually being in the cockpit, so it's not unreasonable to assume that a true unmanned fighter is next. The potential ability to pull 100 Gs is just too tempting.
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RE: Boeing's New Air Dominance Fighter Concept

Wed Jun 08, 2011 1:13 pm

Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 4):
The potential ability to pull 100 Gs is just too tempting.

Of course, while you are at it, why would you need planes that can do massive G's when you can design a weapons system (AKA Lasers and missiles) with 360 degrees coverage? But that debate is for another day.  

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RE: Boeing's New Air Dominance Fighter Concept

Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:08 pm

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 3):
The fighter shown looks like just a straw horse that have been run through the exercise.

Not to be outdone, the Chinese came out with a peep of their own.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/th...icture-sneak-peek-of-new-chin.html

It appears the old propaganda machine is alive, well-oiled and working. Although in fairness, it has been churning out real, verifiable flying prototypes of late. It's the aircraft's innards that remain a mystery.
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RE: Boeing's New Air Dominance Fighter Concept

Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:29 pm

Boeing's only hope to stay alive in the fighter jet business (carry on McDD's strong reputation,) is to design for the US Navy a true replacement for the Super Hornet, which is in fact, never been a true replacement for the F-14D Tomcat. The USN needs something along the lines of the F-22 that the USAF enjoys, minus the low numbers and exorbitant price tag. If Boeing can provide the vision and design, then they might, just might preserve their ability to build and sell combat jets after the F-15 and F-18 are done.
 
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RE: Boeing's New Air Dominance Fighter Concept

Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:10 am

Lockheed (and their partners Boeing and General Dynamics) won the contract to build the F-22 in April 1991 and even though the Defence Department has cut the number required time and time again it is still in production. If Boeing was to actually build the F-22 replacement (or supplement) it would not be off the drawing board many years with an in service date some time after 2030.
 
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RE: Boeing's New Air Dominance Fighter Concept

Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:36 pm

You sure thats a fighter concept and not the concept for the new bomber program set to start in 2015?
 
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RE: Boeing's New Air Dominance Fighter Concept

Wed Aug 03, 2011 7:34 pm

Well, here's a slightly clearer presentation (just) .....

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/th...icture-one-afrl-briefing-lots.html
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RE: Boeing's New Air Dominance Fighter Concept

Wed Aug 03, 2011 8:08 pm

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 7):
which is in fact, never been a true replacement for the F-14D Tomcat.

It could have been, but the fact that it isn't can be laid squarely at the feet of Dick Cheney.

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 7):
The USN needs something along the lines of the F-22 that the USAF enjoys,

They could have had it, but they cancelled it. There is a pattern here. The Navy and Cheney screwed up and now the Navy gets to pay the price for their shortsightedness.
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