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Taiwan Buys 30 AH-64 Apaches

Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:12 pm

Great News!!

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles.../taiwan-buys-30-ah-64-apaches.html

I Hope they authorize the F-16 purchase soon!   
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RE: Taiwan Buys 30 AH-64 Apaches

Sat Jun 11, 2011 12:01 am

This sale was authorized by the previous GW Bush admin, they have been waiting to finalize the order as low rate initial production for the US Army did not start till this year for the latest block 3 version. Taiwan is the first export customer for the block 3. There was no way this contract would have occurred any sooner due to delays in the block 3 program so it has little to do with any recent policy change etc. Some parts of the program were contracted for shortly after the congressional notification - Stinger missile.

The F16 sale and block 20 MLU is on hold while the State Dept battles it out with DoD and Congress over whether or not to upset Beijing. There is a suspicion in congress, who recently passed non binding resolutions asking the administration to sell F16s, that the White house want congress to force the sale so the administration can say to the Chinese they had no choice. The block 20 upgrade program is worth 4 billion and the 66 new C/Ds maybe eventually worth up to 8 billion. If this continues till election year it will be a rerun of 92 when G H.W. Bush finally agreed to a sale of F16s after GD said it may have to run down its assembly line in Fort Worth. Having spent his entire 8 years as VP and first 3 1/2 years as president doing everything he could to prevent a sale. Not without reason did Deng Xiao Ping call him China's best friend in America.

OT but possibly related to what may eventually happen. The French government and Thales yesterday agreed to pay Taiwan the 600+ million euro fine imposed on them by a French court for illegal commissions over the lafayette frigate sale to Taiwan in the early 90s. I don't see Paris having 400 million euros (the governments part of the fine) just lying around in the treasury in these days of fiscal problems. They may have to provide something other than cash, as will thales. Don't forget part of the impetus to the US agreeing to F16s in 92 was also France selling Mirage 2000s.
 
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RE: Taiwan Buys 30 AH-64 Apaches

Sat Jun 11, 2011 1:40 am

Thank You Trex8, for your detailed response...

I think most people understand the Chinese political aspects in selling to Taiwan...

My enthusiasm however, was that the US Government was finally doing the right thing by providing this long awaited equipment to Taiwan... Despite the mainland...
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RE: Taiwan Buys 30 AH-64 Apaches

Sun Jun 12, 2011 1:39 pm

Quoting trex8 (Reply 1):

The F16 sale and block 20 MLU is on hold while the State Dept battles it out with DoD and Congress over whether or not to upset Beijing. There is a suspicion in congress, who recently passed non binding resolutions asking the administration to sell F16s, that the White house want congress to force the sale so the administration can say to the Chinese they had no choice.

That process may drag on indefinitely.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...loomy-for-taiwan-f-16-cd-deal.html

Quoting trex8 (Reply 1):
If this continues till election year it will be a rerun of 92 when G H.W. Bush finally agreed to a sale of F16s after GD said it may have to run down its assembly line in Fort Worth.

A similar scenario might just be the only thing that could unlock the impasse... short of a clear signal on Taiwan. No matter how their MoD insisted that it would not accept a "watered down" deal, this 30 Apache order pretty much fits the mould, despite being part of an older and bigger agreement.


Quoting trex8 (Reply 1):
OT but possibly related to what may eventually happen. The French government and Thales yesterday agreed to pay Taiwan the 600+ million euro fine imposed on them by a French court for illegal commissions over the lafayette frigate sale to Taiwan in the early 90s. I don't see Paris having 400 million euros (the governments part of the fine) just lying around in the treasury in these days of fiscal problems. They may have to provide something other than cash, as will thales. Don't forget part of the impetus to the US agreeing to F16s in 92 was also France selling Mirage 2000s.

Not sure if China has France as tightly by the short hairs, but it's doubtful the latter has more intestinal fortitude than the US to displease the peoples' republic. That being said, it bears watching the extent they would go to secure another (not saying MMRCA is already a dunk) Rafale export sale.

http://media.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/AIR_Rafale-M_F3_Coastal_lg.jpg
http://media.defenseindustrydaily.co...ges/AIR_Rafale-M_F3_Coastal_lg.jpg
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