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B-17 Crash In Chicago

Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:16 pm

I just heard a rumor that a B-17 crashed on takeoff from Chicago's ARR airport. Survivors are being reported, but the aircraft is still on fire. Some believe its the Collings Foundation aircraft.

This is all I know.. does anyone else have any information?
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RE: B-17 Crash In Chicago

Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:22 pm

Looks like Chicago Trib has just picked up the story: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...ii-bomber-20110613,0,5852034.story

Still no word on which B-17 she was, but all 7 occupants appear to have escaped.
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RE: B-17 Crash In Chicago

Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:40 pm

Fortunately no one was killed in this accident. The B-17 belonged to the Liberty Foundation out of MIA. The B-17 looks like a total loss in this live feed.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/videob...atchLive=wgntv-tivid-livestream-96
 
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RE: B-17 Crash In Chicago

Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:58 pm

This breaks my heart.  
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RE: B-17 Crash In Chicago

Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:01 pm

Thats a shame, I remember during a airshow at EGUN Air Fete that we almost lost the BOB flight Lancaster when its brakes failed.
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RE: B-17 Crash In Chicago

Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:08 pm

Liberty Belle, the yellow gives it away. This totally sucks!
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RE: B-17 Crash In Chicago

Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:37 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 5):
Liberty Belle, the yellow gives it away. This totally sucks!

I was taking the kid for a walk two weekends ago here in Seattle and believe she flew over us giving rides to vets. Sorry to see her go.
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RE: B-17 Crash In Chicago

Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:12 pm

Terrible when we lose one of these parts of history. It does look like a total loss, but hopefully they can find some parts that are still useful to keep the remaining fleet airworthy or at least whole and museum quality.
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RE: B-17 Crash In Chicago

Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:14 pm

Even worse, "Liberty Belle" was one of a two-of-a-kind B-17 model, the 299Z. Two B-17s were built as engine test beds, for P&W and Curtiss Wright. They had their cockpits moved aft and a fifth engine installed on the nose. "Libery Belle"was P&W's (44-85734, NX5111N) and after retirement, was displayed in the Bradley Air Museum. After it was badly damaged in the infamous tornado that hit the museum on March 10, 1979, it was rebuilt as a stock B-17G. Curtiss Wright's 299Z (44-85813, N6694C) became a fire bomber and was lost in a crash in 1980. Some parts from it were used in "Libery Belle's" restoration, and the remains of the wreck are being rebuilt in Ohio.

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RE: B-17 Crash In Chicago

Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:51 pm

I know its too early to speculate with so little information available, but from the newspaper article it seems that only the #1 engine was on fire, and I would presume was shut down. If that is the case would he not be able to continue on with 3 engines, or because of the fire would you cut off fuel completely and do an emergency landing?

I'm very glad everyone got out the accident alive and well. It is sad to see another great plane removed from the ranks of those flying. Nine-0-Nine (Collins Foundation) comes down just a few miles from where I live for its annual maintanance every year along with a B-24 and B-25 and that is a nice treat.
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RE: B-17 Crash In Chicago

Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:14 pm

It's hard to tell from the photos, HaveBlue, but I thought I read that it was an inboard engine - #2, maybe - that had the fire. If it was a simple fire that went out when they shut down the engine, it shouldn't be an issue to return to base, but depending on what happened, say if a fuel line ruptured or the fire spread to the wing, the best course of action would be to make an emergency landing as they did.
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RE: B-17 Crash In Chicago

Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:30 pm

Moose in the article the reporter stated "He looked out and saw the bomber and a smaller yellow plane. An engine on the left wing of the bomber -- the one farthest from the cockpit --- was on fire. "Not a lot of flames, just more smoke than flames," Barry said.

Now that is a non aviation reporter relaying what a 'witness' saw, so it is entirely possible that it was engine #2 but I'm just referencing the article linked early in the thread  
Quoting moose135 (Reply 10):
If it was a simple fire that went out when they shut down the engine, it shouldn't be an issue to return to base, but depending on what happened, say if a fuel line ruptured or the fire spread to the wing, the best course of action would be to make an emergency landing as they did.

That's kinda what I was thinking, along with the fact that I don't know how good, if any, the fire prevention/extinguishing capabilities of the engines in planes of that era. Did they even have fire bottles to pull with a switch/handle from the cockpit?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...ii-bomber-20110613,0,5852034.story
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RE: B-17 Crash In Chicago

Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:18 pm

In this sequence of photos you can see she made it safely on the ground, before the fire got really big. One picture clearly shows the #2 engine in full feather. In a few pictures you can clearly see the ball turret burned in the wreckage. The airplane is a total loss, but it looks like some parts can be salvaged, perhaps two, or more engines, and just about everything in the cockpit and foreward of the wings.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...sh-pictures,0,3672607.photogallery
 
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RE: B-17 Crash In Chicago

Tue Jun 14, 2011 1:59 pm

It seems this discussion has moved to the civil av boards, even though it started here first.
 
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RE: B-17 Crash In Chicago

Wed Jun 15, 2011 2:34 pm

Moose you are correct, according to a more accurate report it was engine 2... the chase pilot in a T-6 told them to land immediately that they were on fire, and orbited the site until emergency help arrived.
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