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Second Ford Class Carrier To Be Name JFK.

Sat Jun 18, 2011 10:15 pm

I just fond out that the second Ford class aircraft carrier is to be named the John F. Kenndy. It look like there is going to be a new big John on the water front.  


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RE: Second Ford Class Carrier To Be Name JFK.

Sat Jun 18, 2011 10:22 pm

That is much better than the name I thought she would get, the USS Barack Hussain Obama. The name "Big John" sounds much better than "Barry".

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RE: Second Ford Class Carrier To Be Name JFK.

Sat Jun 18, 2011 11:28 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):
That is much better than the name I thought she would get, the USS Barack Hussain Obama.


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RE: Second Ford Class Carrier To Be Name JFK.

Sun Jun 19, 2011 11:50 am

I don't know how many of the Ford class are being built, but if more are coming, here's some thoughts on names:

Saratoga
Lexington
Forrestal (pardon the spelling if it's wrong)
Essex
Langley
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RE: Second Ford Class Carrier To Be Name JFK.

Sun Jun 19, 2011 1:05 pm

Quoting ebj1248650 (Reply 3):
I don't know how many of the Ford class are being built, but if more are coming, here's some thoughts on names:

Saratoga
Lexington
Forrestal (pardon the spelling if it's wrong)
Essex
Langley

I believe 3 have been authorized. Before any more are, I think there will be some serious debate in the E-ring concerning what America's posture going forward will be, and just how many of these beasts the US can actually afford.
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RE: Second Ford Class Carrier To Be Name JFK.

Sun Jun 19, 2011 3:10 pm

Yes, 3 are authorized and 1 is under construction, the USS Gerald R. Ford, CVN78, scheduled for commissioning in 2015. The CVN78 will replace the USS Enterprise, CVN65 which will be the first CVN to retire in 2013. The second Ford class CVN, as this thread is about will be the USS John F. Kennedy, CVN79, she will replace the USS Chester W. Nimitz, CVN68. She is scheduled to begin construction in 2013. CVN79 is currently scheduled to commission in 2018. The 3rd ship in this class, CVN80 is currently unnamed, when commissioned in 2021 she will replace the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower, CVN69. CVN80 should begin construction in 2016.

There have been some groups of Navy and other veterans who wanted the following names for this class of CVNs;

CVN78, USS America or USS Arizona
CVN79, USS Enterprise or USS Barry Goldwater
CVN80, USS Barry Goldwater

Sorry, I don't have the scheduled decommissioning years for the Nimitz (CVN68) or the Ike (CVN69).
 
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Sun Jun 19, 2011 3:43 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):
That is much better than the name I thought she would get, the USS Barack Hussain Obama. The name "Big John" sounds much better than "Barry".

Too late, there's already a ship named after the current president!   

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Sun Jun 19, 2011 8:50 pm

If one of the Ford-class carriers gets re-comissioned as the Enterprise, then shouldn't it be CVN-65A?     

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Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:59 pm

What a stupid practice, naming aircraft carriers after politicians. I vote for bringing back the Wasp and Hornet names.
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RE: Second Ford Class Carrier To Be Name JFK.

Sun Jun 19, 2011 11:19 pm

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 8):
What a stupid practice, naming aircraft carriers after politicians. I vote for bringing back the Wasp and Hornet names.

I don't mind them being named after the odd influential wartime president ie Eisenhower, JFK etc... but recent ones or those not so influential not so much. I too think certain old names should come back... Surely there has got to be another Enterprise!
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RE: Second Ford Class Carrier To Be Name JFK.

Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:36 am

A little ironic, since Kennedy was killed in a Ford (ok, Lincoln, which is owned by Ford).

Quoting JBo (Reply 7):
If one of the Ford-class carriers gets re-comissioned as the Enterprise, then shouldn't it be CVN-65A?

(Surely someone here has to appreciate that ...)

Oh, I do! =)
 
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RE: Second Ford Class Carrier To Be Name JFK.

Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:01 am

Quoting JBo (Reply 7):
If one of the Ford-class carriers gets re-comissioned as the Enterprise, then shouldn't it be CVN-65A?

If it's a Ford-class, it should be F-150, 250 and 350, or an LTD.
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RE: Second Ford Class Carrier To Be Name JFK.

Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:51 pm

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 11):
Quoting JBo (Reply 7):
If one of the Ford-class carriers gets re-comissioned as the Enterprise, then shouldn't it be CVN-65A?

If it's a Ford-class, it should be F-150, 250 and 350, or an LTD.

How about Mustang, Galaxie, Fairlane, or Crown Vic?

Quoting PlayLoud (Reply 10):
Quoting JBo (Reply 7):
If one of the Ford-class carriers gets re-comissioned as the Enterprise, then shouldn't it be CVN-65A?

(Surely someone here has to appreciate that ...)

Oh, I do! =)

Actually there have been 8 USN ships named Enterprise or USS Enterprise, and one building. So this could be the 10th USN USS Enterprise name making her the "CVN-65-J" There have also been 3 other US vessels named Enterprise, including OV-101. I have not counted the RN ships named Enterprise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise
 
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RE: Second Ford Class Carrier To Be Name JFK.

Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:56 pm

USS Essex and USS Arizona are already used by two ship although one of them is permanently "moored" at the bottom of Pearl Harbor. Arizona and Essex would have to be decommissioned or renamed before those names can be used again

I do like the idea of Hornet Wasp Lexington Saratoga Langley being used as names for the new carriers though.
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Mon Jun 20, 2011 11:28 pm

+1 for Enterprise. There should always be one active USS Enterprise IMO.
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RE: Second Ford Class Carrier To Be Name JFK.

Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:14 am

I would like to see another Enterprise eventually, but I think I would like to see a Saratoga, Lexington, and Yorktown first. I know the Lexington and Yorktown are now museums, but the honor of all the sailors who manned these ships at war should not sit at dock decaying.

While I understand the desire to have another Arizona, it is not a carrier name. Submarines now bare the state names... Arizona is one name that should be left alone until she is totally gone.

There will always be an Enterprise though. Scrap the CVN-65, use her steel for her successor.
 
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RE: Second Ford Class Carrier To Be Name JFK.

Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:56 am

Quoting woodreau (Reply 13):
Arizona and Essex would have to be decommissioned or renamed before those names can be used again

USS Arizona was decomissioned on December 29, 1941. It was struck from the Navy List on December 1, 1942. The National Park Service "owns" the Arizona.

USS Essex (CV-9), is also not commisioned. It was actually decommissioned first in 1947, then recommissioned in 1951, decommissioned again in 1969, and struck in 1973.

There is a USS Essex in commission. It's a Wasp class amphibious assault ship (LHD-2).

I would like to see a "Fifty Year" rule (at least) for naming aircraft carriers after presidents. If someone's reputation still shines fifty years after their death, then we can name an aircraft carrier after them. Otherwise, let's stick to the more historic and traditional names;

Langley
Lexington
Saratoga
Ranger
Yorktown
Enterprise (currently in use, CVN)
Hornet
Wasp (currently in use, LHD)
Essex (currently in use, LHD)
Intrepid
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RE: Second Ford Class Carrier To Be Name JFK.

Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:41 am

Why not...

USS Gambier Bay?

USS Kadashan Bay? Perhaps Kim and her sisters can christen it.
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RE: Second Ford Class Carrier To Be Name JFK.

Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:32 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 12):

Actually there have been 8 USN ships named Enterprise or USS Enterprise, and one building. So this could be the 10th USN USS Enterprise name making her the "CVN-65-J" There have also been 3 other US vessels named Enterprise, including OV-101. I have not counted the RN ships named Enterprise.

Nor the 9 USS Enterprises of the Federation  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_Enterprise#Alternate_timelines
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RE: Second Ford Class Carrier To Be Name JFK.

Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:44 pm

Quoting woodreau (Reply 13):
USS Essex and USS Arizona are already used by two ship although one of them is permanently "moored" at the bottom of Pearl Harbor. Arizona and Essex would have to be decommissioned or renamed before those names can be used again
Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 16):
USS Arizona was decomissioned on December 29, 1941. It was struck from the Navy List on December 1, 1942. The National Park Service "owns" the Arizona.

USS Essex (CV-9), is also not commisioned. It was actually decommissioned first in 1947, then recommissioned in 1951, decommissioned again in 1969, and struck in 1973.

Correct. There is no restriction to using the name again, although some people will not like it. I have no problem naming a CVN after a state. Prior to and during WWII, only BBs were named for states. During the build up of the Ohio class SSBN/SSGN state names were used again. BBs, and SSBNs are known as 'capital ships', as are CV/CVNs. But today the state names have been downgraded to below capital ship status with the naming of the Virginia class SSNs after states.

I would like to see the Ford class CVNs named after famous USN BBs like the USS Arizona BB39, USS Massachusetts BB59, USS Washington BB56, USS Indiana BB58, USS Missouri BB63, etc.
 
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Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:57 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 19):

I would like to see the Ford class CVNs named after famous USN BBs like the USS Arizona BB39, USS Massachusetts BB59, USS Washington BB56, USS Indiana BB58, USS Missouri BB63, etc.

Ostensibly some of those names will probably be used by the Virginia-class SSNs - Missouri already is (SSN-780, commissioned on 7/31/10).

Add me to the list of people who'd like to see historical carrier names again. Lexington, Saratoga, Ranger, Yorktown, and the like
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Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:52 pm

Isn't the Arizona still comissioned? Even if not, I'd think not reusing it is the best way to honor the dead onboard.
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Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:16 pm

15 of Their various Britannic Majesty's warships have been called Enterprise.
 
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Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:18 pm

Nelson's ship HMS Victory is still a commissioned warship, is that the oldest in the world?

If a future RN ship was HMS Resolute that would be the only one whose previous holder of the name is part of the desk of the US President.

This whole naming carriers after US Presidents (who now don't even have to be deceased) seems a political shitfest.
When there are all those names of Pacific War battles where the USN Carrier fleet came of age - though aren't amphibious ships now getting those names?
 
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RE: Second Ford Class Carrier To Be Name JFK.

Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:29 pm

Quoting GDB (Reply 23):
Nelson's ship HMS Victory is still a commissioned warship, is that the oldest in the world?


Hate to say it GDB...

But the way the RN has been heading, it might be the last commissioned warship in the RN!  Wow! 
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Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:14 pm

Quoting mffoda (Reply 24):
But the way the RN has been heading, it might be the last commissioned warship in the RN!

Don't get me started!

Last week a senior Admiral warned of the commitment/resources gap and got a bollocking from our Prime Minister.
Yesterday a senior member of the RAF did the same and the PM did not hide his irritation.

Still, aside from politics the PM was a PR man for a short lived TV company, I'll do the talking, you do the fighting he responded to the latest warning from those who merely have to implement his policies.
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RE: Second Ford Class Carrier To Be Name JFK.

Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:41 am

Quoting GDB (Reply 23):
This whole naming carriers after US Presidents (who now don't even have to be deceased) seems a political shitfest.

Worse, the occasional senator slips into the mix... USS Carl Vinson

I'm all for Hornet, Wasp, Ranger, Bon Homme Richard, Saratoga, Lexington
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RE: Second Ford Class Carrier To Be Name JFK.

Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:58 am

We cannot have a US Navy without a USS Enterprise. I think they should bring back the classic names including Yorktown, Hornet, Wasp, Lexington and Saratoga, the carriers that bore the brunt of the fighting for the first year or two of the pacific war.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):
the USS Barack Hussain Obama

Already taken. Here she is.

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RE: Second Ford Class Carrier To Be Name JFK.

Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:07 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 27):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):
the USS Barack Hussain Obama

Already taken. Here she is.


Impressive! How many sorties per day can she support?   
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Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:17 am

Quoting mffoda (Reply 28):

Impressive! How many sorties per day can she support?

Hey - no laughing! With big enough fans to direct it, the smell could be classified as a weapon of mass destruction!
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Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:26 pm

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 8):
What a stupid practice, naming aircraft carriers after politicians. I vote for bringing back the Wasp and Hornet names.

Admiral Rickover once said of changing the naming of attack subs from fish to cities "Fish don't vote". The same can be said of bugs.  
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Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:22 pm

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 26):
Worse, the occasional senator slips into the mix... USS Carl Vinson

Vinson was in the House of Reps. Stennis was a Senator.
 
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Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:17 pm

Quoting aklrno (Reply 31):
Vinson was in the House of Reps. Stennis was a Senator.

Just as bad if not worse....
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Thu Jun 23, 2011 12:09 pm

Quoting aklrno (Reply 31):
Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 26):
Worse, the occasional senator slips into the mix... USS Carl Vinson

Vinson was in the House of Reps. Stennis was a Senator.

Vinson is a bit of a special case... he was in the house for over 50years and was responsible for the USN getting a whole bunch of ships prior to WWII (without those new ships the USN would have been in a very very bad position after Pearl). Basically he was the guy that got the USN its money... from the sounds of it it wasn't a trade off (I'll get you the money you name a ship after me) but an honor for his role in helping the navy out. I'm sure another surface ship (destroyer) would have been more appropriate... maybe its just seeing videos hearing the USS Carl Vinson in action but it is quite a powerful sounding name for some reason lol. Stennis was chairman of the armed services committee. Once again I think a destroyer or similar may have been more appropriate. Bring back the old names I say.
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RE: Second Ford Class Carrier To Be Name JFK.

Thu Jun 23, 2011 1:51 pm

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 21):
Isn't the Arizona still comissioned? Even if not, I'd think not reusing it is the best way to honor the dead onboard.

No, Arizona is no longer in commission. There are many USN warship sunk during WWII that had a large loss of life among the crew that had their names recycled into new build ships after the war. The USS Indianapolis, CA35 (a Portland class CA), lost after she delivered the Atomic Bomb components to the 509th Composite Wing. The name was again commissioned, in the USN, as the USS Indianapolis SSN697 (a LA class SSN).

Quoting GDB (Reply 23):
Nelson's ship HMS Victory is still a commissioned warship, is that the oldest in the world?
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 27):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):
the USS Barack Hussain Obama

Already taken. Here she is.
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 29):
Quoting mffoda (Reply 28):

Impressive! How many sorties per day can she support?

Hey - no laughing! With big enough fans to direct it, the smell could be classified as a weapon of mass destruction!

Wow a powerful warship if there ever was one!!!!!!!!!!!!               
 
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Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:18 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 33):
Stennis was chairman of the armed services committee. Once again I think a destroyer or similar may have been more appropriate. Bring back the old names I say.

He was also the senator who asked Admiral Connolly if better engines were the asnwer for issues with the F-111B program. His now famous response "There isn’t enough thrust in all Christendom to make that airplane a fighter.’"
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Sun Jun 26, 2011 4:30 pm

Has the Enterprise found a home yet? I'd rather see her an artificial reef than being busted up in an Indian yard.
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Sun Jun 26, 2011 5:08 pm

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 26):
Hornet, Wasp, Ranger, Bon Homme Richard, Saratoga, Lexington
Wasp and Bonhomme Richard are currently in commission as LHD-1 and LHD-6, respectively. Other "heritage" carrier names in the Wasp class include Essex, Boxer, Kearsarge, Bataan, and Makin Island (although Makin Island was a CVE and Bataan was a CVL, not true CVs)

Quoting nomadd22 (Reply 36):
Has the Enterprise found a home yet? I'd rather see her an artificial reef than being busted up in an Indian yard.

Doubtful she'd be sent to the breakers instead of used as the target in a SINKEX.
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Sun Jun 26, 2011 5:18 pm

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 37):
Doubtful she'd be sent to the breakers instead of used as the target in a SINKEX.

Have any of the nuclear surface ships actually been broken up? I recall Long Beach's hull was still docked at Bremerton along with some retired SSNs.
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Sun Jun 26, 2011 7:37 pm

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 38):
Have any of the nuclear surface ships actually been broken up? I recall Long Beach's hull was still docked at Bremerton along with some retired SSNs.

Yes, all but ex-Long Beach and ex-Mississippi have gone through SRP.
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Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:38 pm

They need to reinstate the doctrine of naming carriers after famous battles (Saratoga, Lexington, etc.) instead of politicians. Ship names need to be based on military history, not political history. Yes, there is a difference. Politicians start the wars, the military fights them. Honor the battles and the men/women who fought them, leave the politicians to the hidden corners of history where they belong.
 
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Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:08 pm

Quoting trigged (Reply 40):
They need to reinstate the doctrine of naming carriers after famous battles (Saratoga, Lexington, etc.) instead of politicians. Ship names need to be based on military history, not political history.

IMHO Admiral Nimitz was deserving of having a class of aicraft carrier named after him.
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Thu Jun 30, 2011 5:24 pm

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 37):
Doubtful she'd be sent to the breakers instead of used as the target in a SINKEX.

Wow, wouldnt that be a sight! Park her where they want a reef, and pound her till she says uncle. I bet she will take quite a beating before actually sinking. Engage all compartment seals to give her the best chance of surviving... and do their worst.
 
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Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:24 am

Quoting Oroka (Reply 42):
Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 37):
Doubtful she'd be sent to the breakers instead of used as the target in a SINKEX.

Wow, wouldnt that be a sight! Park her where they want a reef, and pound her till she says uncle. I bet she will take quite a beating before actually sinking. Engage all compartment seals to give her the best chance of surviving... and do their worst.

It wouldn't happen. They'd need her to settle on the bottom upright, and that's not all that easy when you're trying to do it. Reefs are pretty shallow, and a floating city like the E would be a nightmare if she settled wrong.
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Fri Jul 01, 2011 10:28 pm

All of this talk about the naming of ships is very interesting to me. When I was in the Navy, ( 1951 - 1959 ), we still had four Battleships in commission, Missouri, Iowa, Wisconsin and New Jersey, so I have always thought that the only ships to be named after states should be Battleships. Then along comes the big missile subs, and they started naming them after states. When they then started naming Aircraft Carriers after politicians, I think that was a dreadful mistake. Let's face it.....an Aircraft Carrier is a huge investment, both in money and also in it's overall importance in our military power. I have nothing against Carl Vinson or John Stennis, but I simply don't think either man rates the honor of having a CVN named after him.

Of all the people who I think SHOULD be honored with having a major warship named after him, one man stands above all the rest ( IMHO ), and that's the late Admiral Hyman Rickover. Were it not for the "vision" of this one man, I can guarantee you, the United States Navy most definitely would not have been the first Navy to have a nuclear powered submarine, ( and later on, nuclear powered surface vessels. ) For that reason, I think this country still needs to honor Admiral Rickover by naming a very important new submarine after him.

The "50 year rule" sounds like a pretty good idea to me, for the reasons already stated. The current practice of naming CVN's after recent presidents, ( with the single exception of the U.S.S. Ronald Reagan ) is a terrible idea ! ( Sooner or later we're going to see a "U.S.S. Bill Clinton", or even worse, ( if that's possible ). a "U.S.S. Jimmy Carter" ! )

I can just imagine being a sailor stationed aboard a ship named after a former president, best remembered for having oral sex with young airhead interns in the oval office restrooms, or for one best remembered for handing over the Panama Canal to the Red Chinese, ( while his whole staff smoked dope in the White House ! ) A bad, bad idea !

So listen up Navy Department and Congress ! Aircraft Carriers shall continue to be named after great sea battles, (and the brave men who gave their lives in them. ) Got it ?

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Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:15 pm

Quoting Geezer (Reply 44):
Of all the people who I think SHOULD be honored with having a major warship named after him, one man stands above all the rest ( IMHO ), and that's the late Admiral Hyman Rickover
Quoting Geezer (Reply 44):
a "U.S.S. Jimmy Carter" !

Both had SSNs named for them. Carter a Seawolf and Rickover a Los Angeles.
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Sat Jul 02, 2011 5:13 am

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 45):
Both had SSNs named for them. Carter a Seawolf and Rickover a Los Angeles.

Thank you ZANL188; I didn't realize how "out of date" I have become !


While I was stationed at the Sub Base in New London, I had to go to the launching of the first nuclear submarine, the U.S.S. Nautilus, as part of a "color detail". After the Nautilus returned from it's historic voyage under the Arctic ice, it returned to the Sub Base and went into the ARD ( floating dry dock ) where we peons in the repair dept. spent the next few months working on her.

I was tasked with installing a specially built syrup coke machine in the control room, which had been designed and built by the company that makes all the coke machines you see in restaurants. The guy from "the company" told me the thing had actually cost 10 K to build ( which was quite a sum of cash in the 50's ! ) During the week or so I was working on the thing, Admiral Rickover was "aboard" every single day. He was a man of "very few words, but many questions", and heaven help the crewman he asked a question of who didn't have an immediate and correct answer ! Fortunately for me, he didn't seem to be "concerned" with the poor 2nd class from the shipfitter's shop who was working on installing the new fancy coke machine; the only times he asked me anything, I apparently had the "correct answer". Admiral Rickover was a "living legend" even then, in the 1950's. He was such a brilliant nuclear engineer, ( at a time when almost no one else knew very much about nuclear engineering ), that he was able to "get away with" things that no other officer, past or present has ever been able to do, simply because the Navy Dept. had no one to "replace" him with. All of the ship's company were utterly "terrified" of him, especially the Jr. officers; ( he was VERY tough on officers. Needless to say, this was all "well before" Jimmy Carter was ever in the Navy; I have wondered many times if Carter's naval career ever "coincided" with Admiral Rickover's; If so, I'll bet he hates Rickover's guts, because a man like Adm. Rickover would have spotted a "phoney" like Jimmy Carter from a far distance, and it would have been "curtains" for the phoney ! ( Does it sound like I have a very "low regard" for Jimmy Carter ? )

I'm from the "old school" when it comes to naming war ships; submarines should be named after sea creatures, and aircraft carriers should be named after famous naval battles. As we no longer have any battle ships, you can use state names for special "big" things, like big missile subs. If they ever invoke the "50 year rule", I'd say that after 50 years, you'd have a very 'tough time" getting a garbage scow named "The Obama" !

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RE: Second Ford Class Carrier To Be Name JFK.

Sat Jul 02, 2011 5:20 pm

Quoting Geezer (Reply 44):
or for one best remembered for handing over the Panama Canal to the Red Chinese

What are you talking about? The territory and canal was returned to Panama, not China.

Carter entered the Naval Academy in 1943 and was discharged from the Navy on October 9, 1953. In February 1949, Rickover received an assignment to the Division of Reactor Development, Atomic Energy Commission, and then assumed control of the Navy's effort as Director of the Naval Reactors Branch in the Bureau of Ships. Yes, their naval careers did coincide and its an established fact that Rickover interviewed Carter and accepted him into the nuclear program. Carter has stated that, next to his parents, Rickover had the greatest influence on him. This isn't hating him.

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RE: Second Ford Class Carrier To Be Name JFK.

Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:15 pm

Quoting nomadd22 (Reply 43):
It wouldn't happen. They'd need her to settle on the bottom upright, and that's not all that easy when you're trying to do it. Reefs are pretty shallow, and a floating city like the E would be a nightmare if she settled wrong.

Just ask those guys who got to sink the Mighty 'O' about how to do it right!!!

But I'd venture to guess that was the last time it'll happen like that though. Think about it- even an oil burner like the xUSS America was sunk so far out so as to never be close enough for a dive team. Do you really think the NAVY would let a nuke be sunk that close in? These boats have many many secrets that are best not known to those who have no 'need to know' if you know what I mean...



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RE: Second Ford Class Carrier To Be Name JFK.

Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:31 pm

Quoting dlednicer (Reply 47):
Quoting Geezer (Reply 44):
or for one best remembered for handing over the Panama Canal to the Red Chinese

What are you talking about? The territory and canal was returned to Panama, not China.

who China has massive influence over...
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